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Re: CSS grid garden

#91

Post by deytempo »

twblalock wrote: post #78
reificator wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> who would likely wonder why I'm was wasting her time At which point you show how much money is being thrown away here.

This is somebody who successfully refuses to let IT upgrade her computer. That means she has a huge level of power in the organization and feels entitled to disregard policy. Do you honestly believe she cares about the IT department wasting a little bit of money (and it really is just a little bit relative to what she probably deals with), or would respond well to an IT guy pointing out his salary in an attempt to co…

Either that or “IT” is someone who doesn’t feel qualified enough to be assertive in their position. If I was this “IT” person, I would explain to the individual that there was a critical vulnerability found which will not be patched and then print up a liability waver form for them to sign and date, stating that they are doing this on their own terms and I cannot be held responsible should anything go wrong.

Re: CSS grid garden

#92

Post by johnday »

dylan604 wrote: post #84
bobthepanda wrote: post #13

Curious as to why CSS Grid chose to start at 1-index rather than zero, and why the end column is one more than the position of the column that actually stops.

I really hate products where the in/out points are not the same inclusiveness. There are several video programs I've used in the past that are similar to this where the in-point is inclusive, but the out point is not. If the in/start designates the first thing I want to include, then I would expect the out/end to also designate the last thing I want to include. It's just a mild thing to get over, and visual tools lik…

There's an extra difficulty with something like video software.

Consider what the expected outcome would be for "isolate from second 1 to second 10". Then the expected outcome for "isolate from frame 1 to frame 10".

What happens with a video at 1fps?

Re: CSS grid garden

#93

Post by _skel »

deytempo wrote: post #91
twblalock wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is somebody who successfully refuses to let IT upgrade her computer. That means she has a huge level of power in the organization and feels entitled to disregard policy. Do you honestly believe she cares about the IT department wasting a little bit of money (and it really is just a little bit relative to what she probably deals with), or would respond well to an IT guy pointing out his salary in an attempt to co…

Either that or “IT” is someone who doesn’t feel qualified enough to be assertive in their position. If I was this “IT” person, I would explain to the individual that there was a critical vulnerability found which will not be patched and then print up a liability waver form for them to sign and date, stating that they are doing this on their own terms and I cannot be held responsible should anything go wrong.

> If I was this “IT” person, I would explain to the individual that there was a critical vulnerability found which will not be patched and then print up a liability waver form for them to sign and date, stating that they are doing this on their own terms and I cannot be held responsible should anything go wrong.

That's even worse advice than what I was responding to. Great way to anger a high-ranking executive and probably get fired.

Frankly a lot of the advice in this thread seems to be coming from people who are very junior or otherwise don't have experience dealing with high-ranking executives. Heck, even mid-ranking executives would respond very poorly to the kinds of actions advised in this thread.

Here's the situation: a high-ranking person in the company is so powerful that she can disobey IT policy by refusing to update her computer. This person is also powerful enough to demand that changes be made to a corporate website to make it compatible with her older computer. This is a problem for the head of IT, and the head of IT either lost that battle or decided it was not worth fighting.

This is not the right place for a more junior IT person or developer to stick their nose in by going directly to that executive with some bogus "liability waiver" or appeals to wasted money or whatever else. It won't go well, and it's wrong to do it in the first place because it bypasses layers of management and the historical and political context that led to this outcome. If the head of IT couldn't solve this problem, a stunt like what you are suggesting won't solve it either.

Re: CSS grid garden

#94

Post by ndnxhs »

plahteenlahti wrote: post #52
reaperducer wrote: post #40

This makes me sad. Not because I don't like grid. But because two weeks ago I found out that a very senior person in the company has a computer running IE11, and will not let IT upgrade her machine. She recently discovered that one of the company's web sites doesn't look right in IE11, and shit ran downhill into my lap. I checked the logs, and yep... she's the only IE11 machine to hit any of the web sites in a year.…

Interested to hear what flexbox features were unsupported? I’ve been in a same kind of situation but was able to support everything on “IE version” of the app by using flexbox.

Its been too long for me to remember the details but I remember flexbox 90% working but having some bugs that were a huge pain to work around. Its at the point where you can use flexbox on IE but you have to specifically test each use on IE to make sure it works.

Re: CSS grid garden

#95

Post by adrianhel »

wavefunction wrote: post #66
reaperducer wrote: post #40

This makes me sad. Not because I don't like grid. But because two weeks ago I found out that a very senior person in the company has a computer running IE11, and will not let IT upgrade her machine. She recently discovered that one of the company's web sites doesn't look right in IE11, and shit ran downhill into my lap. I checked the logs, and yep... she's the only IE11 machine to hit any of the web sites in a year.…

I guess I would have just wrapped ie specific css in a conditional.

I prefer using user agent sniffing and adding the class ie to body. With autoprefixer you get a lot for free too.

But I do have a certain fondness for wrapping modern layout in @supports(display: block) {}. It's kind of like a hidden fu in the code. Additionally it has lower specificity than body:not(.ie) &.

Re: CSS grid garden

#96

Post by dylan604 »

johnday wrote: post #92
dylan604 wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really hate products where the in/out points are not the same inclusiveness. There are several video programs I've used in the past that are similar to this where the in-point is inclusive, but the out point is not. If the in/start designates the first thing I want to include, then I would expect the out/end to also designate the last thing I want to include. It's just a mild thing to get over, and visual tools lik…

There's an extra difficulty with something like video software. Consider what the expected outcome would be for "isolate from second 1 to second 10". Then the expected outcome for "isolate from frame 1 to frame 10". What happens with a video at 1fps?

Now we're getting into definitions of "what is 1 second?", and I always reply "a second is a second, regardless of the divisions". Same when syncing audio to video. Straight audio is just a division of sampling rate, so regardless if you record video at 24,25,30, etc, audio recorded at 48kHz is always the same. It only gets confusing when trying to force sync by embedding timecode into the audio or laying the audio to a video format. Now, you're trying to subdivide the audio into video frames, and that's just going to make framerate conversions difficult. My biggest pet peeve with this is all of the MP4 based capture formats where the audio alignment is within +/- frames. I love frame advancing to the clapper in the clapped position, but the audio pop is frame(s) ahead/behind, and sometimes even sub-frames ahead/behind. It's one of the things I miss the most about FCP7. I could option-click the timeline and slip the audio into alignment with the video. Premiere doesn't allow for this, and I refuse to even install FCPX to investigate. I know just make it the audio department's problem ;-) Wow, I just jerked the wheel so hard far left from the actual topic.

Re: CSS grid garden

#97

Post by ndnxhs »

chrisseaton wrote: post #17
bobthepanda wrote: post #13

Curious as to why CSS Grid chose to start at 1-index rather than zero, and why the end column is one more than the position of the column that actually stops.

Maybe designers don't have a culture of counting from 0 like programmers do?

Programmers don't count from 0. Its just in many languages it makes sense like in C where an arrays name is actually a pointer to the first element and the index says how many positions to move away from it so foo[0] is the pointer to the first element and then move 0 spaces away.

The tradition of starting at 0 just got carried on to everything because having a standard is better than having to memorize what everything uses

Re: CSS grid garden

#98

Post by justwalt »

jccalhoun wrote: post #72
reaperducer wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just get them to do it. It's not a tech company, so it doesn't work that way. IT doesn't tell management what to do, it's the other way around. get someone more senior than her to put her in her place To get to someone more senior than her would mean contacting her manager on the other side of the country, who would likely wonder why I'm was wasting her time, and come down on me through my boss. Again, it's not a tec…

it would be a shame if something happened to her computer and it had to be replaced...

“What’s this in my computer? What’s a USB killer?”

Re: CSS grid garden

#99

Post by adrianhel »

devxpy wrote: post #35
revskill wrote: post #20

Flex seems more flexible to me than CSS Grid.

Is it just me or does everyone just eventually resorts to "trying everything until it works" with CSS layout? > Flex seems more flexible to me than CSS Grid. Any day :)

My first advice to anyone regarding CSS: Don't just slap on more rules to get things working. Gain an intuition and you'll be so much happier and produce much better layouts.

But yes, I am also under that impression.

Re: CSS grid garden

#100

Post by sjwright »

VMG wrote: post #88
jccalhoun wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it would be a shame if something happened to her computer and it had to be replaced...

Highly unethical

Hilarious that the HN audience decided that the parent comment was worthy of down-votes! Ethics? Pah, we're IT professionals.
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