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Re: CSS grid garden

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Post by vraylle »

reaperducer wrote: post #40

This makes me sad. Not because I don't like grid. But because two weeks ago I found out that a very senior person in the company has a computer running IE11, and will not let IT upgrade her machine. She recently discovered that one of the company's web sites doesn't look right in IE11, and shit ran downhill into my lap. I checked the logs, and yep... she's the only IE11 machine to hit any of the web sites in a year.…

We just finished deploying a major contract where the military is a primary customer. They still have many machines running IE 11. I used CSS Grid and it's working well. IE 11 supports the initial version of the spec and has the -ms prefixes, but works. There are some things you can't do (like areas), but it largely works with that syntax, if you design with column/row in mind.

See this for details on the IE 10/11 implementation:

https://rachelandrew.co.uk/archives/2016/11/26/should-i-try-...

Re: CSS grid garden

#72

Post by jccalhoun »

reaperducer wrote: post #69
talow49 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chances are if IT upgrade her browser she won't even notice. Just get them to do it. Or get someone more senior than her to put her in her place.

Just get them to do it. It's not a tech company, so it doesn't work that way. IT doesn't tell management what to do, it's the other way around. get someone more senior than her to put her in her place To get to someone more senior than her would mean contacting her manager on the other side of the country, who would likely wonder why I'm was wasting her time, and come down on me through my boss. Again, it's not a tec…

it would be a shame if something happened to her computer and it had to be replaced...

Re: CSS grid garden

#73

Post by reificator »

reaperducer wrote: post #69
talow49 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chances are if IT upgrade her browser she won't even notice. Just get them to do it. Or get someone more senior than her to put her in her place.

Just get them to do it. It's not a tech company, so it doesn't work that way. IT doesn't tell management what to do, it's the other way around. get someone more senior than her to put her in her place To get to someone more senior than her would mean contacting her manager on the other side of the country, who would likely wonder why I'm was wasting her time, and come down on me through my boss. Again, it's not a tec…

> who would likely wonder why I'm was wasting her time

At which point you show how much money is being thrown away here.

Re: CSS grid garden

#74

Post by fgkramer »

zamalek wrote: post #54
androidgirl wrote: post #14

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Use CSS grid with Flexbox for fallback. I create my mobile version of pages with Flexbox, so if the user's browser doesn't support it, they see the full featured mobile view. Progressive enhancement.

Curious how you manage this. Do you use feature detection and then apply a class to ?

Not OP, but it is usually done by using support tags:

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/@supports

You'd write two versions, one for browsers which do support grid and one for the ones which don't.

Jen Simmons has written excellent tutorials on doing fallbacks and explaining how we can use css grids nowadays: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2016/08/using-feature-queries-in-c...

And also has a YouTube channel where she explains a lot on how to deal with css grid in the wild: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7TizprGknbDalbHplROtag

Re: CSS grid garden

#75

Post by reaperducer »

reificator wrote: post #73
reaperducer wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just get them to do it. It's not a tech company, so it doesn't work that way. IT doesn't tell management what to do, it's the other way around. get someone more senior than her to put her in her place To get to someone more senior than her would mean contacting her manager on the other side of the country, who would likely wonder why I'm was wasting her time, and come down on me through my boss. Again, it's not a tec…

> who would likely wonder why I'm was wasting her time At which point you show how much money is being thrown away here.

At which point you show how much money is being thrown away here.

You assume that wasting a few days of my time will cost the company more than me wasting her time. Remember, this person is probably seven or eight steps higher than me in the org chart. This is a large organization, not some startup.

Re: CSS grid garden

#76

Post by gcb0 »

reaperducer wrote: post #40

This makes me sad. Not because I don't like grid. But because two weeks ago I found out that a very senior person in the company has a computer running IE11, and will not let IT upgrade her machine. She recently discovered that one of the company's web sites doesn't look right in IE11, and shit ran downhill into my lap. I checked the logs, and yep... she's the only IE11 machine to hit any of the web sites in a year.…

ah, post-google chrome developers.

Most people here will be too young to remember, so let me tell an old-people tale of when everyone used Netscape (which cost $29.99 ...let that sink in first of all), and then microsoft gave IE for free for everyone! Then webdevelopers without a true CS background (and by that i do not mean university), like yourself, started to use IE niceties to develop. One of those niceties was the F12 developer tool. Which now become the every-browser's-dev-panel. And they cursed at everyone that was still using Netscape4 instead of their fancy new IE6. So much so they put buttons on those sites saying "better displayed on IE6" (or 4, don't remember).

I am tired of typing now. So have fun figuring out the moral of the history. I is my cristimas present to you :⁎

Re: CSS grid garden

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Post by crikli »

reaperducer wrote: post #40

This makes me sad. Not because I don't like grid. But because two weeks ago I found out that a very senior person in the company has a computer running IE11, and will not let IT upgrade her machine. She recently discovered that one of the company's web sites doesn't look right in IE11, and shit ran downhill into my lap. I checked the logs, and yep... she's the only IE11 machine to hit any of the web sites in a year.…

I've got a similar situation with a web app millions use, but a couple corner office people use IE11. We were able use an IE only CSS selectors to degrade; in theory you could do the same without compromising the layout for other users.

Re: CSS grid garden

#78

Post by twblalock »

reificator wrote: post #73
reaperducer wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just get them to do it. It's not a tech company, so it doesn't work that way. IT doesn't tell management what to do, it's the other way around. get someone more senior than her to put her in her place To get to someone more senior than her would mean contacting her manager on the other side of the country, who would likely wonder why I'm was wasting her time, and come down on me through my boss. Again, it's not a tec…

> who would likely wonder why I'm was wasting her time At which point you show how much money is being thrown away here.

This is somebody who successfully refuses to let IT upgrade her computer. That means she has a huge level of power in the organization and feels entitled to disregard policy.

Do you honestly believe she cares about the IT department wasting a little bit of money (and it really is just a little bit relative to what she probably deals with), or would respond well to an IT guy pointing out his salary in an attempt to convince her to upgrade her computer? The advice you gave is more likely to get someone fired than it is to help.

Re: CSS grid garden

#80

Post by Aeolun »

reaperducer wrote: post #75
reificator wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> who would likely wonder why I'm was wasting her time At which point you show how much money is being thrown away here.

At which point you show how much money is being thrown away here. You assume that wasting a few days of my time will cost the company more than me wasting her time. Remember, this person is probably seven or eight steps higher than me in the org chart. This is a large organization, not some startup.

If you are spending days, and the person is spending 10 minutes, that might actually work out in your favor.

Also, 7 or 8 steps in any org chart is insane.

It’s more likely to cost a ton of money if someone hacks her browser/OS though.

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