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Because it prevents automated mass monitoring and filtering of content in general. Someone has to know there is this group, be allowed to join it, monitor the content, etc. It's much more costly.
What if someone joins every group What if that someone doesn’t show up in the list of group members because WhatsApp has this built in What if you don’t control the source code so you can’t verify this What if RMS was right What then
WhatsApp has an encrypted child porn problem
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Re: WhatsApp has an encrypted child porn problem
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Messengers need someone to host and maintain the servers. That requires a monetization model and requires someone to act as a central figure. That figure (like Facebook) then has to either moderate the content or try to make a case of not being able to but still facilitating it. A messenger using the blockchain as its medium requires no staff to operate it and has nobody responsible for it. There is nobody to blame f…
There's already p2p messaging apps that do that without any blockchain nonsense. The blockchain would leave a permanent trace to which pseudonym posted what forever.
Re: WhatsApp has an encrypted child porn problem
#53Or rather, humanity has a lot of problems. Including rape, pedophilia, murders, etc. I don't think WhatsApp in particular has a problem. Are houses a problem because they hide crimes with their walls?
Not the same. Houses aren't a mass medium of communication.
Re: WhatsApp has an encrypted child porn problem
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There's already p2p messaging apps that do that without any blockchain nonsense. The blockchain would leave a permanent trace to which pseudonym posted what forever.
P2P messaging apps have a hard time with group messages because you have to have someone online to relay messages at all times. Group chats really have to have a shared storage medium to work.
The part I'm having a hard time with is that blockchain's specific strength relative to other distributed approaches is the ledger. That's not really the crux of the decentralized messaging problem.
Unless you need the immutable ledger, other approaches solve identity, privacy, and persistence aspects of messaging just as well or better without the overhead that blockchain approaches introduce.
Re: WhatsApp has an encrypted child porn problem
#55Does the postal service have a problem if people uses their service to share illegal pictures? I think they are just a victim of abuse of their service.
Re: WhatsApp has an encrypted child porn problem
#56Like what? Does no one who looked at this article (before publishing) have any idea how the internet works? Do they have this wonderful illusion that just because something is made slightly easier to access that it suddenly boosts how many pedophiles in the world? Little Johnny doesn't just browse a WhatsApp directory listing and say, "You know what? I've never really wanted to see children abused but now that there's a nice 'Adult' section containing this sort of content... I think I'm a pedophile now!" Anyone viewing that crap voluntarily was a pedophile to begin with, and like every single one of them, public castration should be an acceptable form of punishment (legalize it).
CP (a known abbreviation) has been circulated on the world wide web since the first big wave wherein more than a few thousand people were using it (back before it was referred to as the 'internet'). Hell i remember accidentally running across several images in my early teen years (when I was moderating for a forum), surprise surprise, it didn't "growth-hack" that vile garbage into my life, you know what it did? It ruined my day that's what it dig, and I absolutely hated the fact that I even saw that, it made me want to never see it again! Flagged for deletion, offender's account was terminated, and a report was filed (with the authorities).
It was also around this time that me and some of my friends decided to have some fun on IRC, I was bored enough that I would often troll IRC for hours, found several questionable channels, where RP (a known abbreviation) was huge and a few of the members were looking for someone to RP as... well children. Yikes! So... we didn't RP, what we did was act like real 12 yr. olds just to mess with them, and after a while of conversing, we'd sometimes get these creeps to get on a greyhound and make a trip (several times across the country) to send them to non-existent meetings, often humorously sending them to a place right across from a police station or whatever we thought was funniest.
Innocent fun I'd say, but anyway, more to the point of the article. No this does not "growth-hack" pedophilia, it just makes it all the more apparent that people are not inherently good and it's stupid to think you can stop the rot. Though I do support the push to limit this as much as possible, though I'd like to see arrests, I'd like to see these bastards rot in prison till they drop dead, and any solution that just covers up the issue without actual consequences for the offenders does not get my consideration. Children are our future, they must be protected.
Re: WhatsApp has an encrypted child porn problem
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There's already p2p messaging apps that do that without any blockchain nonsense. The blockchain would leave a permanent trace to which pseudonym posted what forever.
P2P messaging apps have a hard time with group messages because you have to have someone online to relay messages at all times. Group chats really have to have a shared storage medium to work.
Well https://tox.chat and https://ring.cx (now Jami) can do just that as well as https://briarproject.org.
So these do exist. Such a thing was also being proposed for Ricochet https://github.com/ricochet-im/ricochet/issues/54
Re: WhatsApp has an encrypted child porn problem
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Careful there. You don't want to cause people to pull an Australia.
Australia has passed controversial laws designed to compel technology companies to grant police and security agencies access to encrypted messages. The government says the laws, a world first, are necessary to help combat terrorism and crime. Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-46463029
I have no doubts that the big companies which this seems mostly for will be doing everything to decentralize and remove themselves from the problem citing "systemic weakness" and then doing nothing for the government.
Re: WhatsApp has an encrypted child porn problem
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
P2P messaging apps have a hard time with group messages because you have to have someone online to relay messages at all times. Group chats really have to have a shared storage medium to work.
> P2P messaging apps have a hard time with group messages Well https://tox.chat and https://ring.cx (now Jami) can do just that as well as https://briarproject.org . So these do exist. Such a thing was also being proposed for Ricochet https://github.com/ricochet-im/ricochet/issues/54
Re: WhatsApp has an encrypted child porn problem
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Yeah. It's just bad writing in the opening paragraph. WhatsApp doesn't provide search but groups can be joined via links. Third-party apps and sites use the links to index groups. Some groups share illegal content. WhatsApp should hire people to crawl those apps/sites, find the illegal groups, join, verify and ban. Not entirely unreasonable. Won't fix anything* but if the company is big and well funded they should at…
While it doesn't seem entirely unreasonable, I can't help but feel it's the state we're at. A platform having to trawl the web to find links to its own service, infiltrate itself, verify the contents, then shut it down... I suspect a marginally easier way might be to maintain a list of referrer URLs/joining IPs (or start collecting them) and check them against a list of domains/IPs of sites known for sharing CP. I'm…
I can't imagine these people are writing something like "child porn in this chat --> ".
I haven't the faintest idea how people who're interested in that sort of thing're finding these links.
Definitely a problem which seems potentially intractable to me, although perhaps more familiarity with the platform and the offending chat groups would help (or... more likely... leave me rather disturbed).