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What Happens When Facebook Goes the Way of Myspace?

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Re: What Happens When Facebook Goes the Way of Myspace?

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Post by vidarh »

samfisher83 wrote: post #98
vidarh wrote: post #94

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While that is to an extent a hindrance, it is also an opening. Social groups in real life are relatively contained. Facebook just mushes it all together. This is one of the few things Google+ got right, with asymmetric relationships and ease of controlling who sees what. While Google+ "failed", that's the attack angle I'd take if I wanted to go after Facebook: Look for ways to let people better limit sharing, to enco…

I think most people she want to share a pic and tag their friends. I don't think people want something so complicated.

It doesn't need to be that complicated. The Google+ model let you do what you suggest, but also let you assign people to one or more circles, so that you could share with specific subsets of your friends by picking a circle. E.g. "family", "people it's ok to share pics from nights out partying with", "work colleagues" etc., and you can assign people to more than one circle. It provided a decent basis for enough containment, if it wasn't for their lack of willingness to deal with pseudonyms and multiple identities.

As for "most people" wanting something simple: I'd argue that most people have something far more complex today: People sign up to multitudes of sites and create different identities for e.g. dating, different forums, their regular circle of friends. People often go to great lengths to separate them. People even often have multiple accounts on the same sites.

Sites like Facebook stubbornly trying to get people to tie everything to a single name that they're know to by everyone is fundamentally flawed for this reason, and it will always present a barrier, and it's something that's exploitable if someone comes up with the right model to start eating away at them at the fringes.

Re: What Happens When Facebook Goes the Way of Myspace?

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Post by drdeadringer »

toastal wrote: post #55
flexie wrote: post #43

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Facebook is far from where Microsoft were in 2003-2007. Most people (90-something percent?) could chose between Microsoft or Apple or no computer at all. Ordinary consumers could not use a text editor, a spreadsheet, send an email, or browse the internet, without doing it form either a Windows or Apple computer. Apple was a secluded niche for graphical designers and the like. Almost everybody else used a Windows comp…

That's you though.... In many countries, Facebook is the 'free' internet citizens can interact with friends on. It can be used to leverage and ruin your social cred because of how intertwined and unchecked Facebook is in places like Myanmar.

I was thinking similar.

What if OP was living in a place where a cell phone and Facebook were "The Internet"? What if that was all OP knew and understood regarding such topics?

Re: What Happens When Facebook Goes the Way of Myspace?

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Post by ElijahLynn »

When Facebook becomes the new Myspace, there will not be a new Facebook, it will be something is user-centered, that cares about the user. It will likely be de-centralized, but I haven't found something that has the low friction onboarding that FB provides that accomplishes this yet.

The new solution won't require you to pick a server (e.g. Mastodon) and will be straight forward to the user.

It will come.

Re: What Happens When Facebook Goes the Way of Myspace?

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Post by ElijahLynn »

ahartmetz wrote: post #106
AndrewSChapman wrote: post #64

Honestly, I hope they do! Simply put, the company is ethically bankrupt and deserve to be made an example of how not to run a social network. You can't go selling peoples private messages to Netflix (the sheer audacity of that just blows my mind!). You can't allow peoples private data to be sold to data analytics firms that are trying to sway elections. Facebook is built on the belief that people don't need privacy a…

"Facebook is built on the belief that people don't need privacy" That is wrong, Facebook's leadership doesn't act that way. Facebook is built on "fuck them, we'll take away their privacy and make money".

To add on, FB was built on this core attitude, I can only think how it spread to this day:

Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard

Zuck: Just ask

Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS

[Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one?

Zuck: People just submitted it.

Zuck: I don't know why.

Zuck: They "trust me"

Zuck: Dumb fucks

source: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mark_Zuckerberg#Quotes

Re: What Happens When Facebook Goes the Way of Myspace?

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Post by smush »

kazen44 wrote: post #38
AstralStorm wrote: post #19

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At a certain point, Facebook might face being either broken up or outright nationalized in some places...

the seperation of whatsapp and facebook has recently been up to debate. Mainly for apperently breaching terms of the acquisition. Whatsapp is so universal it should really be either a federated system or a public utility.

I've never used Whatsapp. Been aware of it since its days as a dedicated button on Blackberry phones and webOS apps.

I say that only to say that I'm not going to join it (Facebook owns it, c'mon mate) and those who allow me to influence their technology choices will not either.

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Post by laurex »

AndrewSChapman wrote: post #64

Honestly, I hope they do! Simply put, the company is ethically bankrupt and deserve to be made an example of how not to run a social network. You can't go selling peoples private messages to Netflix (the sheer audacity of that just blows my mind!). You can't allow peoples private data to be sold to data analytics firms that are trying to sway elections. Facebook is built on the belief that people don't need privacy a…

In all the talk of where people will go from Facebook, it's interesting that the proposed solution is a similar model of feeds and superficial connection. It's possible that we may be starting to realize the way this method of "connection" simply doesn't serve us from a well-being standpoint, versus using technology to better enable us to have actual closeness and friendships.
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