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Re: VirtualBox 6.0 released

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Post by badsectoracula »

robert_foss wrote: post #10

Avoid VirtualBox and becoming trapped in the non-free & personal use only extension by using one of the very decent open source alternatives Boxes[1] or virt-manager[2] [1] https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Apps/Boxes [2] https://virt-manager.org/

I do not understand, Virtual Box is free software, the versions distributed through most common Linux distributions does not contain any non-free components and the binaries on the site are released under the GPLv2. The extensions you mention are a separate download that you explicitly have to download and it is mentioned around the download that they are under a different license.

How exactly are you trapped by using GPL software?

Re: VirtualBox 6.0 released

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Post by paulie_a »

alpinewinter wrote: post #129
setquk wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any public references for this anywhere?

I don't know of any public references, but I can confirm this is happening to government entities as well. Oracle is being extremely aggressive and mounting what is essentially a phishing campaign against organizations that it sees accessing the extension download page. They are e-mailing employees directly and asking them to contact Oracle.

I would definitely contact them. But they would not appreciate the reply.

Re: VirtualBox 6.0 released

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Post by jstarks »

cm2187 wrote: post #138
cpach wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried Hyper-V for a while but I found the network configuration really cumbersome. Therefore I went back to Virtualbox but I should probably request my employer to buy a license for Vmware.

Is it because you switched frequently from one adapter to another (like wifi to ethernet)? Otherwise I don't think I ever had any problem with the network configuration.

In Windows 10, we provide a NAT network option by default. This should work seamlessly even if you switch between WiFi and Ethernet. So even this problem should go away for most people now.

Re: VirtualBox 6.0 released

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Post by gbuk2013 »

bakery2k wrote: post #43

Is anyone using VirtualBox on the desktop? Specifically, to run Linux/macOS/Windows guests on a macOS host? Would you recommend it? Or is the best option VMware Fusion, Parallels, or something else?

I use it run a Windows VM on my Linux desktop - works pretty well for years.

Re: VirtualBox 6.0 released

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Post by jki275 »

border43 wrote: post #132
jki275 wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use hyper-v and rdp every day, very happy with both. I even run Linux VMs in hyper-v.

I've had nothing but issues trying to run Ubuntu in Hyper-V. Even the Windows Ubuntu LTS image that comes with the quick-create didn't work for very long. Not sure what I'm doing wrong, but I've never has success with non-windows OS's.

What host version? I'm running 18.04 on Server 2016, for reference, did absolutely nothing special or unique, downloaded the iso, built the machine and loaded it and it's up running dns & unifi controller 24/7 for my home network with no issues.

Re: VirtualBox 6.0 released

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Post by DrPhish »

bubblethink wrote: post #127
nailer wrote: post #17

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From Boxes site: > While virt-manager does a very good job as a virtual machine management software, it's very much tailored for system administration. Exactly! Boxes looks really polished.

It's anything but. It's utterly useless. Just use virt-manager while it lasts. It is being deprecated though, after which you will be forced to use boxes or the other virt-manager replacement.

Having never used Boxes before, I was excited for a better VM management tool than virt-manager.

However, I just tried using it (on Debian stretch), and unfortunately I have to agree that it doesn't do much beyond look pretty.

afaict you could only go to consoles, check a few resource usage graphs, send power commands and manage snapshots. There were very few configuration options and no ability to manipulate virtual hardware on existing machines. Also, there was no way to add remote libvirt instances from the GUI, and adding them into the config file (qemu+ssh) just made boxes crash.

If virt-manager really is going to be deprecated, is there a good replacement out there?

edit: Holy crap, it also managed to hibernate all the running VMs on my dev box when it crashed!?! Glad I didn't have anything too important running on it!

Re: VirtualBox 6.0 released

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Post by NullPrefix »

badsectoracula wrote: post #141
robert_foss wrote: post #10

Avoid VirtualBox and becoming trapped in the non-free & personal use only extension by using one of the very decent open source alternatives Boxes[1] or virt-manager[2] [1] https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Apps/Boxes [2] https://virt-manager.org/

I do not understand, Virtual Box is free software, the versions distributed through most common Linux distributions does not contain any non-free components and the binaries on the site are released under the GPLv2. The extensions you mention are a separate download that you explicitly have to download and it is mentioned around the download that they are under a different license. How exactly are you trapped by usin…

Without the extension VirtualBox VMs are pretty much shit.

Re: VirtualBox 6.0 released

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Post by tlrobinson »

badsectoracula wrote: post #141
robert_foss wrote: post #10

Avoid VirtualBox and becoming trapped in the non-free & personal use only extension by using one of the very decent open source alternatives Boxes[1] or virt-manager[2] [1] https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Apps/Boxes [2] https://virt-manager.org/

I do not understand, Virtual Box is free software, the versions distributed through most common Linux distributions does not contain any non-free components and the binaries on the site are released under the GPLv2. The extensions you mention are a separate download that you explicitly have to download and it is mentioned around the download that they are under a different license. How exactly are you trapped by usin…

From another comment it sounds like it's the Extension Pack they're going after.

> The VirtualBox Extension Pack is available under the VirtualBox Extension Pack Personal Use and Evaluation License, which is a free license for personal, educational or evaluation use, or an Enterprise License, which is a for-fee license that allows most commercial, non-distribution uses restricted by the PUEL.

Re: VirtualBox 6.0 released

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Post by bayindirh »

znpy wrote: post #64
bayindirh wrote: post #30

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We use virt-manager to virtualize servers on servers with joy, however I use VBox to virtualize Windows hosts with hardware acceleration if possible. How is the state of KVM's support about 3D acceleration, sound, drag'n drop and like?

If you have on the host system a graphics card that you can fully dedicate to the guest system, you can then do pci-passthrough and let the guest system have nearly-full access to that graphic card with nearly full performances. Also, kvm has some nice features that AFAIK virtual box does not have. For example you can have gnu/linux and windows guests use the balloon memory driver, that basically allocates and deallo…

> If you have on the host system a graphics card that you can fully dedicate to the guest system.

Which implies a special-build system to play some odd Windows games ocassionally, akin to building an Hackintosh. For my use case it's a definitive overkill :D

> ...do pci-passthrough and let the guest system have nearly-full access to that graphic card with nearly full performances.

Again which requires a CPU and system which supports vT-d (in intel jargon), which is the only feature which my 3770K doesn't support :D

VirtualBox supports memory balooning. The interface is same with VirtIO's ballooning drivers AFAIK. The commands can be found in [0].

Since I want to virtualize Windows to play my simpler games only, rdp is not a very attractive choice. Using local speakers and sound virtualization is alright. I don't want crystal clear, high end sound. However, I'm not aware of the support level.

[0]: https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch09.html

Re: VirtualBox 6.0 released

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Post by bayindirh »

robert_foss wrote: post #79
bayindirh wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We use virt-manager to virtualize servers on servers with joy, however I use VBox to virtualize Windows hosts with hardware acceleration if possible. How is the state of KVM's support about 3D acceleration, sound, drag'n drop and like?

Virgil3D enables host-gpu based acceleration for KVM, and Boxes ships with it enabled I think.

Virgil 3D is a KVM feature. Boxes is just a frontend. Fedora, CentOS and RH enables it, but it's not landed on Debian yet AFAIK.
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