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Re: Hate Speech on Patreon

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree. I found the livestream that Patreon transcribed in the article[1]. From what I can tell, the context is that he is responding to an alt-right troll commenting in the chat. He appears to be throwing the racially-charged language back at the troll and criticising them for being so disrespectful. From his mocking tone, I did not get the impression that he condoned their prejudice. [1] https://www.youtube.com/wa…

> He appears to be throwing the racially-charged language back at the troll He seems to be using the N word specifically as a pejorative because they're annoying him. (And then uses "faggot" also as a pejorative because why not?) "White people are meant to be polite and respect each other", combined with the use of the N word towards the commentators, is fairly racially charged, no?

Yes, everything he said was racially charged and confrontational. But that doesn't necessarily make it hate speech.

Let's assume for a moment that the target of these pejoratives was an alt-right troll who directed those exact slurs at Sargon of Akkad. Let's say they made it obvious they were homophobic white supremacists by attacking Sargon's mixed heritage as 'racial impurity'.

When I steelman Sargon's emotional response, what I get is: "don't you alt-right trolls realise that you behave exactly the same way as you claim the [nasty black people] do? You are not living up to the false standard you have set for the polite and respectful white 'master' race, so your claim to superiority amazes me. If you are going to behave like the [nasty black people] and [nasty gay people] you despise so much, then don't expect me to bother wasting my time debating you."

Do you find this interpretation implausible for some reason? Can anyone offer a better one?

Re: Hate Speech on Patreon

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I don't have any context for Patreon's move here. Does anyone know the back story? What the guy said sounds douchey, dimwitted and racist... But here's another case for decentralization of monetization. I don't care whether someone says something offensive or not...if Bob wants to donate money to Alice, that's their right. They shouldn't have to go through Patreon or PayPal or any other centralized service. And Alice…

He is an infamous provocateur. I'm pretty sure this is the real reason why he was banned: https://www.polygon.com/features/2017/6/27/15880582/anita-sa...

Attending a con doesn't strike me as that provocative, honestly. (I do agree that he's kind of a dick, don't get me wrong. Just not in that particular incident so much).

Re: Hate Speech on Patreon

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He appears to be throwing the racially-charged language back at the troll He seems to be using the N word specifically as a pejorative because they're annoying him. (And then uses "faggot" also as a pejorative because why not?) "White people are meant to be polite and respect each other", combined with the use of the N word towards the commentators, is fairly racially charged, no?

Yes, everything he said was racially charged and confrontational. But that doesn't necessarily make it hate speech. Let's assume for a moment that the target of these pejoratives was an alt-right troll who directed those exact slurs at Sargon of Akkad. Let's say they made it obvious they were homophobic white supremacists by attacking Sargon's mixed heritage as 'racial impurity'. When I steelman Sargon's emotional re…

> Let's assume for a moment that the target of these pejoratives was an alt-right troll

Do we know that it was?

> Do you find this interpretation implausible for some reason?

I do but that's because, taking all the interactions I've had with his output into account, I'm not given to charitable interpretations of his intentions.

> Can anyone offer a better one?

Yes, he's happy to use casual racism and homophobia until someone calls him out on it then he backtracks to claim it's satirical. But what you really mean here is "can anyone offer a better one that I agree with" and I suspect the answer there is no.

Re: Hate Speech on Patreon

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, everything he said was racially charged and confrontational. But that doesn't necessarily make it hate speech. Let's assume for a moment that the target of these pejoratives was an alt-right troll who directed those exact slurs at Sargon of Akkad. Let's say they made it obvious they were homophobic white supremacists by attacking Sargon's mixed heritage as 'racial impurity'. When I steelman Sargon's emotional re…

> Let's assume for a moment that the target of these pejoratives was an alt-right troll Do we know that it was? > Do you find this interpretation implausible for some reason? I do but that's because, taking all the interactions I've had with his output into account, I'm not given to charitable interpretations of his intentions. > Can anyone offer a better one? Yes, he's happy to use casual racism and homophobia until…

Sorry mate, your assumptions on what I "really mean" are incorrect. I was looking to promote divergent thinking to see what other interpretations were out there. Everyone can have a different subjective opinion on which is best and whether I agree or not is beside the point. Not every conversation has to be a debate, you know?

> he's happy to use casual racism and homophobia until someone calls him out on it

I don't listen to this fellow often because I find the sound of his voice irritating and I don't like how he cherry-picks evidence to support his views on UK politics. But none of the limited output I have consumed contained any casual racism. Can anyone link to any other examples that demonstrate this?

Re: Hate Speech on Patreon

#25

I think this is just the straw that broke the camel's back. This sort of thing has been happening for a while. I recall a story where someone's account somewhere was closed because Visa or MasterCard (credit card company!) complained about what they said online. Financial companies have too much power. They always had. But right now they started exercising it in a way that is very worrisome. Banks can close your acco…

Maybe cryptocurrencies will have some real-world value after all!
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