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Re: MailChimp deleted my account with no warning

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It is still a lie. Also keep in mind the perspective and context that the end user has no way of knowing. And even if the data can be recovered in an unofficial manner whether they will actually bother is highly unlikely if they care as little as they most obviously do. So, as a user it is a pretty safe bet to just assume it is gone (but do keep poking).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie "A lie is a statement used intentionally for the purpose of deception" I don't think you can prove it was a lie.

Since we don't have a mind-reading machine, by that logic, we can conclude that no statement can be proven to be a lie.

After all, how can we know what an alleged liar is really thinking?

Re: MailChimp deleted my account with no warning

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Because not everyone using a mailing list service is technically capable of doing this, or understands why it's even necessary? I never used MailChimp but if I did then I would assume that the mailing lists I built with their service would be 99.999% secure, and that I'd always be able to access it even if they went out of business. Reading this thread with many users claiming similar experiences is quite frankly sho…

> I never used MailChimp but if I did then I would assume that the mailing lists I built with their service would be 99.999% secure, and that I'd always be able to access it even if they went out of business. You're saying you never used service X, yet you would absolutely trust service X and assume that even when service X is out-of-businness, you can access data related to you. That's very surprising to read, I'm e…

Yes, because their entire business model is built around email marketing, and despite not using MailChimp then they're as far as I know the biggest player. Give me a couple of hours and then I can guarantee 99.999999% durability for almost no cost through Google/Amazon services. I would be very sad if MailChimp can't gaurantee the same.

Edit since I can't reply: We're talking about durability of their mailing lists, not uptime. At least that's my intention. That Google/Amazon or MailChimp might experience downtime doesn't have any impact on the durability promises. I would also expect MailChimp (rather than all their customers) to do regular backups.

Re: MailChimp deleted my account with no warning

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> So they lied in the first response (all data is wiped and unrecoverable) Not defending Mailchimp, but keep in mind the perspective and context. To a customer support agent using some backend interface, it very well could be "completely wiped". To an escalation team, they may be able to pull it from backups in an "unofficial" manner.

As a manager of a customer service team, everyone on my team knows exactly whether something has been "totally wiped" or not, regardless of whether it's something that would require developer intervention to recover. To have your reps not understand this and ultimately mislead the customer (or, in this case, I suppose former customer would be more accurate) is a management/training problem, and what the rep ultimatel…

Agreed, regardless of whether the rep can see it or not, they should be trained properly and reply that they no longer have access to the data, and that access would require an escalation of some sort. To simply say the data is gone is a straight up lie.

Re: MailChimp deleted my account with no warning

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If you're looking for alternatives, I can't recommend MailWizz + Amazon SES enough. You can host it on a $5 VPS and you pay just what you consume from Amazon.

Last I checked SES had quite poor deliverability, at least compared to MC, sendgrid &co. Has that improved?

Re: MailChimp deleted my account with no warning

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post #4

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Indeed. I have found that the best way to get a company to respond to a complaint in a reasonable manner is to post your complaint on their facebook or twitter profile. Its a shame that it needs to be like this.

Depends on the company. Some simply delete complaints and block the people who left them... The best way to get satisfaction (in the UK at least) seems to be to get a tabloid journalist involved....

Can confirm.

Sent eBay a private message on both Twitter and Facebook. Facebook's was read and ignored.

Posted the complaint on their fb page wall. It was automatically deleted.

What worked was commenting on their post.

Re: MailChimp deleted my account with no warning

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I’m glad this got posted and I hope this gets resolved and MailChimp does the right thing (I’ve also upvoted the OP). But man, I don’t envy companies deep in the anti-spam/fraud business. The impression I’ve gotten is that when you act with a lighter touch and/or give lots of info about why an account was closed, spammers/fraudsters weaponize that and either figure out how to bypass your controls or social engineer y…

> Any thoughts on how a company should balance good service to users (and false positives) with the need to fight black hats? Charge money. A big part of why MailChimp responded this way is that they have a very generous free plan. With that they can't afford to dig deep on free plans that violate ToS. You'll get buried under the weight of support/vetting for that. Once you start charging even a little bit, the amoun…

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18716357

Re: MailChimp deleted my account with no warning

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post #65

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What drives the assumption that their mailing lists would always be available to you even if they went out of business or that they are almost perfectly secure? Is it due to standards set by large companies or just an idealized desire?

Because I assume they use Google/Amazon cloud services which are designed for 99.99999999% durability, just as I assume they often make backups (it's not like it would be expensive for them to backup mailing lists every hour or so). If they went out of business then I would also assume they would give customers at least several months to export their mailing lists. Edit: for some reason I'm not allowed to post new co…

Thanks for answering! I think your perspective is becoming more common. It's not like MailChimp is a start-up, so these assumptions aren't inherently crazy.

Re: MailChimp deleted my account with no warning

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Are you in any way affiliated directly or indirectly with MailChimp ? Reason for my concern is that this is not a exemplary practice to do victim bashing either. Even if OP is "free" customer , He has some right to complaint. Companies usually don't provide "free" tier by goodness of there heart and have legitimate business plan to do so.

Nope, no connections whatsoever. In fact I work at a place a few orders of magnitude bigger than what MailChimps of the world would handle... Shit happens from time to time in business and the normal approach is you connect and discuss by whatever SLAs you align to. You don't scream publicly sullying reputations unless you've given resolution a reasonable shot. Waiting less than 1 business day doesn't seem like givin…

> Shit happens from time to time in business and the normal approach is you connect and discuss

Which is exactly what MailChimp failed to do, and what makes this an issue worth the treatment the OP has given it.

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