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As Facebook Raised a Privacy Wall, It Carved an Opening for Tech Giants

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After reading facebooks response I am once again disappointed by the art of journalism we have to deal with these days :(

Turns out NYT either doesn’t understand the technical details or doesn’t want to

https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2018/12/facebooks-partners/

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I just wish there was a way to figure out _why_ I'm getting some ads, to dispel that fear. On Instagram last weekend I and a friend were shown a number of ads for Chandon sparking wine after I bought a bottle, and someone else at the party also did and we talked about it. Both of us insist we didn't google sparkling wine, Chandon, or anything we think relevant... it really does on the face of it appear Facebook had l…

this happened with a few co-workers. They got ads about things we spoke about at work and shared it with the group on slack. After nagging them about uninstalling FB for a while, the targeted ads scared some of them to finally uninstall the always listening FB spyware from their phone(s)

I once dropped my work laptop and snapped the plastic housing on the charger plug. I only discussed it verbally with my manager and said that I, as a consultant, would replace it at my own expense. Before I'd had chance to search for and price one up adverts for laptop chargers started following me around the web.

It could have been that she then searched for a charger and being a small company we all shared an external IP address, that we also shared the ads... or it could have been that spy software on my phone had sold our conversation to advertisers. Either way, mic privileges were locked down and ad and tracker blocking efforts doubled after that.

Re: As Facebook Raised a Privacy Wall, It Carved an Opening for Tech Giants

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After reading facebooks response I am once again disappointed by the art of journalism we have to deal with these days :( Turns out NYT either doesn’t understand the technical details or doesn’t want to https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2018/12/facebooks-partners/

While I'm also disappointed by many news organizations / journalists these days, NYT is not one of them. In fact, they are one of the few newspapers that are keeping larger entities in check and doing their job by reporting them. I've been continually impressed by NYT, specifically, for its care in ensuring the highest level of integrity. Mistakes do happen and as far as I know, they've been pretty good about apologizing for them.

If it weren't for this linked article (much of which I learned a significant amount and was news to me), we wouldn't have had such a response from Facebook with further clarification on this topic. For example, did I know they were also passing my private messages to other entities? No. I also don't blame myself because they could've made it a lot more obvious that I was sharing such personal content with other third parties.

Journalists have a tough job, but they should be commended when bringing to light articles like this.

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#104

After reading facebooks response I am once again disappointed by the art of journalism we have to deal with these days :( Turns out NYT either doesn’t understand the technical details or doesn’t want to https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2018/12/facebooks-partners/

I actually stumbled upon the following in their report:

“Internal documents obtained by The Times show that Facebook shared data with more than 150 companies — most of them tech businesses, but also automakers, media organizations (including The Times) and others.“

I think it takes an awful lot of motivated reasoning not to hold an organisation in the highest regard that freely works against its own interest, in the pursuit of its mission.

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#105

After reading facebooks response I am once again disappointed by the art of journalism we have to deal with these days :( Turns out NYT either doesn’t understand the technical details or doesn’t want to https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2018/12/facebooks-partners/

Not sure what you're talking about, Facebook explicitly confirms what NYT writes???

>Did partners get access to messages? >Yes. But people had to explicitly sign in to Facebook first to use a partner’s messaging feature. Take Spotify for example. After signing in to your Facebook account in Spotify’s desktop app, you could then send and receive messages without ever leaving the app. Our API provided partners with access to the person’s messages in order to power this type of feature.

Facebook is trying to spin it in a positive way ('you had to sign up first!!'), but nowhere did you agree that Spotify could read all of your messages.

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It was only a few weeks ago that people were arguing that it was anti-competitive for Facebook not to share data with other companies.

Intention is so central to judging actions in both the law and ethics generally, it’s bordering on willful ignorance to profess ignorance (recursion intended).

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#108

It’s crazy that there ever is/was an endpoint to read a user’s private messages. What exactly would ever be a good use case for that where a user would knowingly agree to it.

A third-party app allowing you to chat, possibly using more than one network?

C. F. email.

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I think this was intended to be a customer support channel and they had to be able to delete the messages containing bank info after a certain amount of time. I had read something about it, I don't think carte blanche access to users' messages was sought or given, it was just support conversations. I didn't use it so this is like my memory of 2nd hand info.

I used to work in Social Media customer support using a well known platform, in a large telecommunications company. We could only access the private message history containing the conversations we had had with the individual, nothing else. You think people care about their personal data, you should see what type of information they provide through private messaging platforms. Including through public posts, it's shoc…

Well, sure, there are always people that act against their own best objective interest but the case here is that Facebook is making a bad decision for them, and also not informing about it other than in broad, hard-to-grok language.

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what do you use for search, then?

For general queries, I use Searx.me. Occasionally I'll use Google if Searx is down, or I need technical information that I need search operators for. For current events, I use Searx, Bing, Yandex, Yahoo, and Baidu (if I'm really digging). I don't trust any one provider on politically sensitive topics, and the the order/kinds of the results can occasionally carry as much signal as the the content of them. I'm not cons…

Trusting Bing, Yandex and Baidu for politically sensitive topics? Are you being sarcastic?
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