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Re: Hate Speech on Patreon

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Post by [deleted] »

throsby wrote: post #9
hashberry wrote: post #3

I find I change my language depending on my audience. Sargon was addressing the alt-right in an interview and using their own racist and sexist language against them, to insult them. It doesn't seem like he was attacking the black community or the gay community.

I agree. I found the livestream that Patreon transcribed in the article[1]. From what I can tell, the context is that he is responding to an alt-right troll commenting in the chat. He appears to be throwing the racially-charged language back at the troll and criticising them for being so disrespectful. From his mocking tone, I did not get the impression that he condoned their prejudice. [1] https://www.youtube.com/wa…

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Re: Hate Speech on Patreon

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Post by raarts »

People are increasingly withdrawing from Patreon. Earlier Sexy Cyborg was forced off by Vice [1] (they're now trying to push her off SubscribeStar[2]), but very recently people like Jordan Peterson, Quillette, and others are moving away and setting up their own crowdfunding platform [3].

And I fully agree that a crowdfunding platform should not be involved with 'de-platforming'.

[1] https://www.patreon.com/posts/vice-vs-sexy-how-18216256

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FETt5JzufY4&t=0s&list=LLcD8F...

[3] https://www.businessinsider.com.au/jordan-peterson-says-hell...

Re: Hate Speech on Patreon

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Post by nugga »

zimpenfish wrote: post #10
throsby wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree. I found the livestream that Patreon transcribed in the article[1]. From what I can tell, the context is that he is responding to an alt-right troll commenting in the chat. He appears to be throwing the racially-charged language back at the troll and criticising them for being so disrespectful. From his mocking tone, I did not get the impression that he condoned their prejudice. [1] https://www.youtube.com/wa…

> He appears to be throwing the racially-charged language back at the troll He seems to be using the N word specifically as a pejorative because they're annoying him. (And then uses "faggot" also as a pejorative because why not?) "White people are meant to be polite and respect each other", combined with the use of the N word towards the commentators, is fairly racially charged, no?

Sargon claims he is using the word in the way described in this stand up comedy routine where Chris Rock (a black person) talks about the difference between 'Black people and niggers' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3PJF0YE-x4

Sargon said something like he was denigrating the 'alt right / nazi trolls' for behaving the way the 'nazis' claim the people they hate behave in.

Re: Hate Speech on Patreon

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Post by zimpenfish »

nugga wrote: post #13
zimpenfish wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He appears to be throwing the racially-charged language back at the troll He seems to be using the N word specifically as a pejorative because they're annoying him. (And then uses "faggot" also as a pejorative because why not?) "White people are meant to be polite and respect each other", combined with the use of the N word towards the commentators, is fairly racially charged, no?

Sargon claims he is using the word in the way described in this stand up comedy routine where Chris Rock (a black person) talks about the difference between 'Black people and niggers' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3PJF0YE-x4 Sargon said something like he was denigrating the 'alt right / nazi trolls' for behaving the way the 'nazis' claim the people they hate behave in.

> Sargon claims

Well, of course he does. He'd be stupid not to. But it's very easy to say "ONLY JOKING" whenever you get called on your offensive bullshit that you originally intended.

Re: Hate Speech on Patreon

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Post by nugga »

zimpenfish wrote: post #14
nugga wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sargon claims he is using the word in the way described in this stand up comedy routine where Chris Rock (a black person) talks about the difference between 'Black people and niggers' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3PJF0YE-x4 Sargon said something like he was denigrating the 'alt right / nazi trolls' for behaving the way the 'nazis' claim the people they hate behave in.

> Sargon claims Well, of course he does. He'd be stupid not to. But it's very easy to say "ONLY JOKING" whenever you get called on your offensive bullshit that you originally intended.

Yes didn't he say he meant to cause offense? Using that word (or any word) to offend non blacks does not somehow cause it to grow tentacles and attack every black person alive. Context and intent matters and I don't think you or anyone else gets to make that call on "hidden motives" or effects beyond what is stated on record.

Re: Hate Speech on Patreon

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Post by UncleMeat »

nugga wrote: post #13
zimpenfish wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He appears to be throwing the racially-charged language back at the troll He seems to be using the N word specifically as a pejorative because they're annoying him. (And then uses "faggot" also as a pejorative because why not?) "White people are meant to be polite and respect each other", combined with the use of the N word towards the commentators, is fairly racially charged, no?

Sargon claims he is using the word in the way described in this stand up comedy routine where Chris Rock (a black person) talks about the difference between 'Black people and niggers' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3PJF0YE-x4 Sargon said something like he was denigrating the 'alt right / nazi trolls' for behaving the way the 'nazis' claim the people they hate behave in.

Chris Rock regrets that bit exactly because it has given cover to bigots to use the n word in this way.

Re: Hate Speech on Patreon

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Post by zimpenfish »

nugga wrote: post #15
zimpenfish wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sargon claims Well, of course he does. He'd be stupid not to. But it's very easy to say "ONLY JOKING" whenever you get called on your offensive bullshit that you originally intended.

Yes didn't he say he meant to cause offense? Using that word (or any word) to offend non blacks does not somehow cause it to grow tentacles and attack every black person alive. Context and intent matters and I don't think you or anyone else gets to make that call on "hidden motives" or effects beyond what is stated on record.

> I don't think you or anyone else gets to make that call on "hidden motives" or effects beyond what is stated on record.

Of course we do. Subtext, hidden meanings, coded language, dogwhistling, etc. are all valid things that people can discern in others' speech.

Re: Hate Speech on Patreon

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Post by GreaterFool »

I think this is just the straw that broke the camel's back. This sort of thing has been happening for a while. I recall a story where someone's account somewhere was closed because Visa or MasterCard (credit card company!) complained about what they said online.

Financial companies have too much power. They always had. But right now they started exercising it in a way that is very worrisome.

Banks can close your account for no reason.

PayPal can close your account for no reason.

Visa or MasterCard can stop doing business with you for no reason.

And what are you going to do then? There's a global "war on cash". Anything beyond few hundred $ is hard to get. Try to deposit it in a bank and they'll ask you million questions about where it's from and what are you going to use it for. Try to withdraw it and you'll raise some flags.

Re: Hate Speech on Patreon

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Post by hardboiled »

chrisco255 wrote: post #2

I don't have any context for Patreon's move here. Does anyone know the back story? What the guy said sounds douchey, dimwitted and racist... But here's another case for decentralization of monetization. I don't care whether someone says something offensive or not...if Bob wants to donate money to Alice, that's their right. They shouldn't have to go through Patreon or PayPal or any other centralized service. And Alice…

The irony is that if you use Patreon's search functionality to search for slurs and other hate speech you will find plenty more blatant and obvious instances on their own platform.
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