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Central Londoners to be subjected to facial recognition test this week

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Re: Central Londoners to be subjected to facial recognition test this week

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>Declare facial recognition inadmissible, and its use will drop off. no, they will just use it for parallel construction instead

But that's at least illegal. If it's inadmissible, they won't likely get funded. And if they try that, it's fruit of the poisonous tree and a good lawyer should be able to ferret that out. I didn't say it's a perfect solution. But it might at least help.

> it's fruit of the poisonous tree

Not a thing in England.

Re: Central Londoners to be subjected to facial recognition test this week

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First it's optional, and then it won't be. Do people from UK realize that the government, intelligence agencies, and the police see no end in sight for this type of (ab)use of surveillance and censorship technology? To me at least it has seemed obvious for some time that the UK government wants to emulate China in this regard. So they see China as a "role model" to be followed. I mean GCHQ has even proposed a Great B…

> To me at least it has seemed obvious for some time that the UK government wants to emulate China in this regard. So they see China as a "role model" to be followed

I may be overly cynical but it seems to me that China is the most honest country involved in governmental mass surveillance. They never tried to hide the intent behind their decisions whereas western nations always bring up false pretenses to eat away at their people's rights and freedoms. The most pathetic of all being "terrorism". We're all headed in the same direction, it's just going to be achieved through different means.

Re: Central Londoners to be subjected to facial recognition test this week

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How does this fit into GDPR? I can't see any reasonable claim that they need this personal data (and what's more personal than my face?) for processing purposes.

That's not really that relevant after 29 March 2019.

GDPR will still apply, at least for a while - https://www.itpro.co.uk/policy-legislation/31772/gdpr-and-br...

Plus it'll still apply to European citizens, won't it? And I'm reasonably sure there's more than a non-zero number of those in Central London on any given day.

Re: Central Londoners to be subjected to facial recognition test this week

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Maybe gp is referring to the extremely classist nature of UK culture? One of my best friends who got his Bachelors in the US but then did his masters at Cambridge explained to me that egalitarianism basically doesn't exist in reality there. They denied him his application for PhD, while the professor who read it stole his idea and made it his own... and this was to a dual American/British citizen. When I visited, I w…

It sounds like you met a bunch of arseholes tbh. Sorry about them. We are not all like that. The only people who I have experience with who are overly classist, tend to be a bit older (50+) and consider themselves above other people, and are as mentioned arseholes. The vast majority of people think this whole thing is old fashioned, out of date, and disgusting. It is not something that people (at least myself, and th…

That is the impression I had too (that it was overstated), until I visited and experienced it firsthand, from Birmingham to Oxford to London. Perhaps the countryside is different. Of course it's true the same can be found in the US, but my experience with that is that the rich in the US only care if you are rich, whereas in the UK it seems much less than about just the money.

Re: Central Londoners to be subjected to facial recognition test this week

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What's the "social credit" system that is being used in the UK? I haven't heard anything about that.

I'm guessing this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System#United_Ki...

It's talking about credit score, which at the moment is limited to guage the risk the lender takes when the person is borrowing money - loans, mortages, credit cards. It's not universal and each lender has their own system in place but are held secret, from their mouths anyway, they don't have to legally tell you why you've been rejected.

Very different to China, but I wouldn't put it past politicians to extend this to other areas of society.

Re: Central Londoners to be subjected to facial recognition test this week

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How does this fit into GDPR? I can't see any reasonable claim that they need this personal data (and what's more personal than my face?) for processing purposes.

Easy enough via "processing is necessary in order to protect the vital interests of the data subject or of another natural person", or "processing is necessary for the performance of a task carried out in the public interest or in the exercise of official authority vested in the controller", and such.

> "processing is necessary in order to protect the vital interests of the data subject or of another natural person"

ICO says "The processing must be necessary. If you can reasonably protect the person’s vital interests in another less intrusive way, this basis will not apply." which cuts out that excuse because, since I'm not dead and the majority of Londoners are also not dead, the police seem to be "reasonably protect[ing]" our "vital interests in another less intrusive way".

https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-the-general-da...

Re: Central Londoners to be subjected to facial recognition test this week

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What "social credit" system does the UK have? We don't even have identity cards...

Maybe gp is referring to the extremely classist nature of UK culture? One of my best friends who got his Bachelors in the US but then did his masters at Cambridge explained to me that egalitarianism basically doesn't exist in reality there. They denied him his application for PhD, while the professor who read it stole his idea and made it his own... and this was to a dual American/British citizen. When I visited, I w…

Classism exists but it's definitely much worse at oxbridge than elsewhere.

Re: Central Londoners to be subjected to facial recognition test this week

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I prey we can get facial recognition to the public and we can start publicly tracking politicians and they can own their political decision anywhere they go. Have a CEO that wears fur coats, well facial recognition now knows he eats at starbucks every friday lets go there then and protest. A corrupt politician, oh facial recognition detects them at a conference lets go interrupt it. There will be no hiding in the fut…

"This morning the Political Privacy Act was rushed through. MPs are now exempt from all face-recognition systems. The vote was unanimous..."

At first I thought this comment was just funny, then I had the thought that it's actually plausible, then it hit me that it's not only plausible but inevitable.

Re: Central Londoners to be subjected to facial recognition test this week

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I thought this ship sailed? I heard of CCTV control centres in London doing this about 15 years ago? I can’t find a link, has anyone else heard of that?

The process of stealing peoples data, there physical appearance data in this case, in the name of security and billing the tax payer billions of pounds for the priveledge, isnt going away very soon.

Re: Central Londoners to be subjected to facial recognition test this week

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They had this in Berlin city-train (S-Bahn) stop Südkreutz. I never consented, and now wear a scarf over my face in that station.

I'm sure your eyes and nose, which you probably don't cover, are more than enough to recognise you.

I think it would be more effective to wear big eyeglasses (like Wayfarers) but I'm not sure, maybe someone can chime in?

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