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Central Londoners to be subjected to facial recognition test this week

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Re: Central Londoners to be subjected to facial recognition test this week

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Post by mises »

gruez wrote: post #6
mises wrote: post #2

The best way to discourage its use at this point is via the courts. Declare facial recognition inadmissible, and its use will drop off. Not a fan of bench legislation, but keeping this out of widespread use is really, really important.

>Declare facial recognition inadmissible, and its use will drop off. no, they will just use it for parallel construction instead

But that's at least illegal. If it's inadmissible, they won't likely get funded. And if they try that, it's fruit of the poisonous tree and a good lawyer should be able to ferret that out.

I didn't say it's a perfect solution. But it might at least help.

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Post by onion2k »

mises wrote: post #2

The best way to discourage its use at this point is via the courts. Declare facial recognition inadmissible, and its use will drop off. Not a fan of bench legislation, but keeping this out of widespread use is really, really important.

Declare facial recognition inadmissible, and its use will drop off.

The police are well aware of this, and consequently won't use facial recognition data as evidence in criminal cases. That won't stop them using the data to knock on the doors of every person who matched (for some level of confidence) a given facial profile though.

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Post by porpoisely »

Can't help but think that if this was done in beijing or shanghai, the headline would be far more ominous.

For all the politically motivated attacks on facebook and tech by politicians ( especially the british and their commonwealth ones ), they sure do love spying on their own citizens.

And for all the talk about dystopian china, it is britain that is leading the world on spying on its citizens and using an authoritarian "social credit" system on its people.

And I've no doubt that our politicians and tech leaders are using london/britain as testing ground for surveillance before importing to the US.

I would love for china and its people to be free and have individual rights, but I'm far more worried about the loss of freedom, privacy and individual rights in the US.

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Post by smilespray »

thatsnotmyusern wrote: post #5

> According to the police, these trials ... "will be used overtly with a clear uniformed presence and information leaflets will be disseminated to the public," This line really creeps me out. Essentially: "But it's OK, because we're being very clear about what we are doing, handing out leaflets and wearing our uniforms so you can trust us." If these trials are successful - or, for that matter, if they are not - can w…

This not a trial, in terms of what a real trial should be.

It is a deliberate wedge strategy that has been employed at least once in the UK before. (I couldn’t find a source right now, will report back when I can.)

The goal is to be able to say to higher powers that «we reached out to the public and they didn’t mind.»

And then it’s made permanent.

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Post by arethuza »

porpoisely wrote: post #14

Can't help but think that if this was done in beijing or shanghai, the headline would be far more ominous. For all the politically motivated attacks on facebook and tech by politicians ( especially the british and their commonwealth ones ), they sure do love spying on their own citizens. And for all the talk about dystopian china, it is britain that is leading the world on spying on its citizens and using an authorit…

What "social credit" system does the UK have? We don't even have identity cards...

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Post by collyw »

porpoisely wrote: post #14

Can't help but think that if this was done in beijing or shanghai, the headline would be far more ominous. For all the politically motivated attacks on facebook and tech by politicians ( especially the british and their commonwealth ones ), they sure do love spying on their own citizens. And for all the talk about dystopian china, it is britain that is leading the world on spying on its citizens and using an authorit…

What's the "social credit" system that is being used in the UK? I haven't heard anything about that.

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Post by lucozade »

collyw wrote: post #18
porpoisely wrote: post #14

Can't help but think that if this was done in beijing or shanghai, the headline would be far more ominous. For all the politically motivated attacks on facebook and tech by politicians ( especially the british and their commonwealth ones ), they sure do love spying on their own citizens. And for all the talk about dystopian china, it is britain that is leading the world on spying on its citizens and using an authorit…

What's the "social credit" system that is being used in the UK? I haven't heard anything about that.

I'm guessing this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System#United_Ki...

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