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The Time Has Come to Finally Delete Facebook

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Re: The Time Has Come to Finally Delete Facebook

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post #7

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Sorry to hear of what you've been through > Now it's just a platform that reminds me of the past by forcing these "connections" It doesn't force those things.

I think it does.

"But when my parents, my abusers, added me on Facebook I felt obligated to add them due to pressure from family members and friends who don't get how the abuse affected me..."

How did Facebook force them to add those people as friends?

Re: The Time Has Come to Finally Delete Facebook

#12
post #4

Well, I'm certainly ahead of the times, then. I deleted years ago. Was barely even on the platform. I don't get why it addicts so many people, it feels like the worst way to communicate with friends; I've got group chats across several apps and those are infinitely better even if limited. My only real regret is the "several apps" part. So if Facebook doesn't care, why do people think Twitter cares? Or any social medi…

It is designed to make as many addicts as possible. If it didn't, they would continue development until it did.

Re: The Time Has Come to Finally Delete Facebook

#13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry to hear of what you've been through > Now it's just a platform that reminds me of the past by forcing these "connections" It doesn't force those things.

Maybe "force" is too strong a word. However, it strongly pushes them by generating lists of people you may know even if you haven't talked to them in over a decade. It also makes it easier for someone to just click "Friend this person" rather than having to find someone's number and pick up the phone. Guilt is a strong motivator, as least for me, so granting someone that access makes it a lot more difficult to set ap…

It's up to you to accept a friend suggestion or request. And the UI makes it easy to delete any friend request. If there's pressure it comes from outside FB itself.

Re: The Time Has Come to Finally Delete Facebook

#14
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it does.

"But when my parents, my abusers, added me on Facebook I felt obligated to add them due to pressure from family members and friends who don't get how the abuse affected me..." How did Facebook force them to add those people as friends?

Because the structure of Facebook encourages those kinds of pressures.

No, facebook the company did not force them at gunpoint to add their parents. That's correct. There are degrees of pressure, yes? If someone found them too much to put up with, is it unreasonable to accept the term 'forced' as apropos?

Re: The Time Has Come to Finally Delete Facebook

#15
post #8
post #4

Well, I'm certainly ahead of the times, then. I deleted years ago. Was barely even on the platform. I don't get why it addicts so many people, it feels like the worst way to communicate with friends; I've got group chats across several apps and those are infinitely better even if limited. My only real regret is the "several apps" part. So if Facebook doesn't care, why do people think Twitter cares? Or any social medi…

The benefit from Facebook that isn't really offered by anything other than Google+ is the "Christmas Card" news - you find out when your old friends and distant relatives have important things happening in their lives, like moving, getting married, having kids, etc. Also people like to live vicariously through their friends, which they can do through photos of their lives, especially kids and trips.

Yeah, I see how different kinds of people may genuinely benefit from Facebook. Maybe it is a personality thing, but I can't relate.

Re: The Time Has Come to Finally Delete Facebook

#16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"But when my parents, my abusers, added me on Facebook I felt obligated to add them due to pressure from family members and friends who don't get how the abuse affected me..." How did Facebook force them to add those people as friends?

Because the structure of Facebook encourages those kinds of pressures. No, facebook the company did not force them at gunpoint to add their parents. That's correct. There are degrees of pressure, yes? If someone found them too much to put up with, is it unreasonable to accept the term 'forced' as apropos?

Yes, it is unreasonable to call "encouraging" (your term) "forcing" ("forced" - "obtained or imposed by coercion or physical power" - Google's definition).

[EDIT: to the people downvoting this, the subtleties of language matter. There is a big and specific difference between concepts like "encouraged", "presssured" and "forced"]

Re: The Time Has Come to Finally Delete Facebook

#17
post #9

All the rewards and none of the responsibility. It's the Silicon Valley way.

Repackage business models that exist in developing nations as a result of extreme income disparity or poverty and call it the new gig/sharing economy. Make sure the app captures as much data from the user's phone as possible; it's worth something.

Could you elaborate on the business model repackaging? Did these models really come from developing nations?

Edit: typo

Re: The Time Has Come to Finally Delete Facebook

#18
one of the most difficult things to relay about why facebook is a danger (probably more so in years gone then now) is they can not visualize the effects (both in the real world and mentally) . This was probably how drugs where viewed back in the 70s it was all seen as fun and games and mostly harmless.

If you say to someone dont speed, drink and drive as it may cause you to get into a car accident its clear to see the devastating impact speeding and drink driving can have, people can imagine it, they can see it and dont want to be involved in it, but when you tell friends and family facebook has the potential to brainwash, manipulate and control you its hard for people to understand how because it is related to understanding how data can predict and be used understand behavior, its a very new concept for many people just being understood in the last few years.

To the majority of users they control facebook, its not the other way around, they can delete images, comment on things, vote on things and and do what they need to on the platform from the saftey of their own home, to majority of people it gives them a voice when before no one cared about what they had to say, but as the ads that they are shown seep into their thoughts without them knowing, the articles and propaganda about the latest political events change their behavior and their emotions and mental well being are affected as they see their friends lives supposedly much better then theirs, they just get more and more sucked in.

As someone with a comp sci major from 15 years ago and understanding the power of data i have been having this conversation with people for years and even now with so much of these facebook powered problems occurring more and more in the media, many still dont see the effects, though at least now , the dangers are hitting the bigger more general audience. At least there is progress there and hopefully this will allow the public to make a more informed decision before they put up their whole lives and the lives of their kids on social media before their kids are even old enough to approve or accept that they want a social media account.

Re: The Time Has Come to Finally Delete Facebook

#19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the structure of Facebook encourages those kinds of pressures. No, facebook the company did not force them at gunpoint to add their parents. That's correct. There are degrees of pressure, yes? If someone found them too much to put up with, is it unreasonable to accept the term 'forced' as apropos?

Yes, it is unreasonable to call "encouraging" (your term) "forcing" ("forced" - "obtained or imposed by coercion or physical power" - Google's definition). [EDIT: to the people downvoting this, the subtleties of language matter. There is a big and specific difference between concepts like "encouraged", "presssured" and "forced"]

You hold conversations with people, not dictionaries.

Re: The Time Has Come to Finally Delete Facebook

#20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it is unreasonable to call "encouraging" (your term) "forcing" ("forced" - "obtained or imposed by coercion or physical power" - Google's definition). [EDIT: to the people downvoting this, the subtleties of language matter. There is a big and specific difference between concepts like "encouraged", "presssured" and "forced"]

You hold conversations with people, not dictionaries.

Are you saying that definition is not in line with what that term means in practice? What do you think "forced" means, if something quite different that?
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