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Dr. Elon and Mr. Musk: Life Inside Tesla's Production Hell

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Re: Dr. Elon and Mr. Musk: Life Inside Tesla's Production Hell

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Post by koreyb »

LoSboccacc wrote: post #98
api wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... yet Tesla pushed the entire world to electrify transport. I remember years ago reading article after article and forum post after forum post about how once we finally deplete oil transportation will revert to the 19th century. I don't read that anymore. I have little doubt that without Tesla you wouldn't see a dozen other EVs on the market. You might have one or two crappy "compliance cars," but nobody else would…

> yet Tesla pushed the entire world to electrify transport Oil prices, pollution laws and incentives did, Tesla was the only one in position to profit for it timely Every company has an electric car in their blueprints, Tesla is the right size to benefit for the small demand that the market created on its own They turned a hundred million so profit this year right? That's not even enough to consider ending the market…

GM lost $3.9bn last year.

There is a reason GM, Audi, Daimler etc are shifting to electric vehicles.

Re: Dr. Elon and Mr. Musk: Life Inside Tesla's Production Hell

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Post by standerman »

hopefulengineer wrote: post #91
dkersten wrote: post #5

Yay for at-will employment laws... :-( > Over the previous year, he had been living out of a suitcase, putting in 13-hour days, seven days a week. This story is a good reminder not to do this. The company will usually not return the favour, you rarely get properly rewarded for crazy hours, yet it has a major impact on your health (both mental and physical) in the long run. Not worth it. > It was not a 9 to 5 company.…

Musk is a great marketer and communicator, he convinces people that making luxury cars is saving the world because they are electric. The people buying them also feel like they are heroes saving the world. Humans have a need to feel like they are a part of something bigger than themselves and Musk provides it. Steve jobs did the same thing, their marketing was all about pushing how apple users think different and are…

Seems to me they're being mindful consumers.

Re: Dr. Elon and Mr. Musk: Life Inside Tesla's Production Hell

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Post by njarboe »

dkersten wrote: post #5

Yay for at-will employment laws... :-( > Over the previous year, he had been living out of a suitcase, putting in 13-hour days, seven days a week. This story is a good reminder not to do this. The company will usually not return the favour, you rarely get properly rewarded for crazy hours, yet it has a major impact on your health (both mental and physical) in the long run. Not worth it. > It was not a 9 to 5 company.…

I would be quite useful for this conversation to see what the wages/overtime pay and stock options are for past employees and new hires. Without that the conversation is just wild speculation and not really worth pursuing.

Re: Dr. Elon and Mr. Musk: Life Inside Tesla's Production Hell

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Post by whiddershins »

dkersten wrote: post #5

Yay for at-will employment laws... :-( > Over the previous year, he had been living out of a suitcase, putting in 13-hour days, seven days a week. This story is a good reminder not to do this. The company will usually not return the favour, you rarely get properly rewarded for crazy hours, yet it has a major impact on your health (both mental and physical) in the long run. Not worth it. > It was not a 9 to 5 company.…

I didn't read the article, so perhaps I'm missing something:

> How much of this money did the employees get for all the overtime they were forced to work?

Did someone somehow compel someone else to work those hours? I imagine most Tesla employees are at the top of their field, and have many jobs to choose from. If someone chose to work like that, there must have been a motivation, it doesn't seem like they would have been forced.

Re: Dr. Elon and Mr. Musk: Life Inside Tesla's Production Hell

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Post by leesec »

skgoa wrote: post #15
who-knows95 wrote: post #3

i'm honestly stunned, i know he's so passionate and a genius, but this is truly mind boggling.

I'm honestly amazed to still see people call him a genius in 2018.

I'm honestly amazed people don't think he's a genius after all he has accomplished.

Re: Dr. Elon and Mr. Musk: Life Inside Tesla's Production Hell

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Post by [deleted] »

gilrain wrote: post #102
dgut wrote: post #99

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If you push out the asshole "savants", you must also say farewell to all great things our civilization has to offer today: art, architecture, literature, technology and so on. Great achievers have rarely been driven by compassion.

I wonder what great historical works we would have today had aggressive assholes not taken the space of more compassionate contemporaries. Or do you truly think nothing of value would have been created by the considerable non-abusive population?

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Re: Dr. Elon and Mr. Musk: Life Inside Tesla's Production Hell

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Post by dgut »

xiphias2 wrote: post #104
gilrain wrote: post #84

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There are several billion people on this planet. If we push out the asshole savants, then there will be room for the respectful savants who have been there all along. There are too many well-educated, compassionate, clever people out there for “nobody else can do it but this specific abusive asshole” to stand up as an argument.

The real assholes are the german car company executives who kill people by lying about diesel exhaust of the cara they're manufacturing. I'm sure that they are nice with everybody, but their real toxic impact is so much bigger than Elon's, it's just uncomparable.

That's a really great point.

Re: Dr. Elon and Mr. Musk: Life Inside Tesla's Production Hell

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Post by LoSboccacc »

koreyb wrote: post #111
LoSboccacc wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> yet Tesla pushed the entire world to electrify transport Oil prices, pollution laws and incentives did, Tesla was the only one in position to profit for it timely Every company has an electric car in their blueprints, Tesla is the right size to benefit for the small demand that the market created on its own They turned a hundred million so profit this year right? That's not even enough to consider ending the market…

GM lost $3.9bn last year. There is a reason GM, Audi, Daimler etc are shifting to electric vehicles.

As I said, everyone has plans but the market is quite small for the big companies to move.

GM turned a loss selling nine million vehicles or so, opening a whole line to enter a market which is moving just one million units or so competing with players like Tesla that operate at almost a loss make zero sense.

They'll keep their design fresh and up to date to be ready when the time comes, but so far it's territory of steps and smaller companies that can profit from small production runs

Re: Dr. Elon and Mr. Musk: Life Inside Tesla's Production Hell

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Post by dgut »

krapp wrote: post #110
dgut wrote: post #107

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You can't go through a great lot of pain without the competitive drive, the hunger for greatness. In other primates, it's expressed in form of strength, in humans in the shape of great accomplishments. If we were all nice people who don't mind being last, we wouldn't be "here" now. Of course, the "non-abusive population" (you name it) have done great things, they help maniacally driven people like Musk to archive thi…

So what are you then, dgut? You seem to believe society is divided up between great men who do and lesser men who serve. Are you a top or a bottom? Ubermensch or Untermensch?

I'm just somebody who has lived enough to understand these complexities and appreciate people like Musk.

In my mind, this guy should just have "walked it off". But I've developed a thick skin because of my past.

The mind is delicate and fuzzy.

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