His passion, geniuses, quirkiness, and yes that include his "abusive" behavior is exactly the reason why I continue buying tesla stock. I hold no other individual company stock except tsla, everything else is index fund.
Dr. Elon and Mr. Musk: Life Inside Tesla's Production Hell
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#62One day he will catch an employee stealing, fly into a rage and fire the entire workforce. He'll lock the iron gates to the factory and sequester himself from the public eye for several decades sparking all kinds of rumours about his fate. Then one day he'll announce a competition for children to win golden tickets to visit his once grand factory and we'll finally discover the real story of Elon Musk and his Gigafact…
And he'll still blame the SEC for him not making money
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#63Why would anyone work there if this is the case? I agree that Tesla cars are very futuristic, but glory all goes to the company and Elon. Do employee get like a huge bonus or something if they survived long enough? There's got be a reason this article is not mentioning.
The entire Mars, gonna save the world shtick? It's a recruitment ploy. Most of his claims don't hold up to closer scrutiny, but it's aimed at young tech professionals who _really want_ for their job to make sense, so much, that they're willing to overlook both the evidence it might not _and_ the bad quality of a job offer, just to hook themselves to someone who has a "bright vision."
Truth is, much of tech nowadays doesn't even pretend to care about any benefit to society. And spotting a scam, when a part of the scam is literally offering you a sense of self-worth? That requires some rather painful introspection.
Re: Dr. Elon and Mr. Musk: Life Inside Tesla's Production Hell
#64I used to be neutral or slightly positive about Musk but this year really changed my view on him. He's a pathological liar, attention-seeker, vengeful narcissist, obsessed about his public image who's unable to handle criticism.
I guess we all have these things in side of us and given the wrong circumstances people let them out. I am definitely compassionate towards Musk, as I for myself have made the experience that stress can bring out very negative sides within you, if you don't stay aware and relaxed to not get carried away of such feelings. It cannot be an apology and hopefully Musk recognizes that it is not his true self acting but str…
I'd find that argument more compelling if Musk hadn't done this of his own volition and for great personal benefit at the expense of others.
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#65i'm honestly stunned, i know he's so passionate and a genius, but this is truly mind boggling.
I'm honestly amazed to still see people call him a genius in 2018.
He has demonstrated that he played KSP and read the funny parts of Ignition!, and therefore is at least as smart as an average person in IT, and therefore a genius.
Re: Dr. Elon and Mr. Musk: Life Inside Tesla's Production Hell
#66People like Musk are necessary. You can't create great things without a mind outside of the norm, and a mind outside of the norm is often unstable. Most people wouldn't manage (psychologically) to be in Musk's position, much less get to the point where he is now.
It isn't fair (what happened to this engineer), but hardly anything in life is fair. What's important is to realize this and be able to move on. As an engineer in the US, he is already one of the luckiest people on Earth.
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#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
> This story is a good reminder not to do this. The company will usually not return the favour, you rarely get properly rewarded for crazy hours, yet it has a major impact on your health (both mental and physical) in the long run. Not worth it. And yet it's also a perfect example of the one time it does make sense to do so, which is when you own a decent chunk of the company that you're doing it for. > No wonder thin…
It's essentially capitalist Stakhanovism.
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Re: Dr. Elon and Mr. Musk: Life Inside Tesla's Production Hell
#68Yay for at-will employment laws... :-( > Over the previous year, he had been living out of a suitcase, putting in 13-hour days, seven days a week. This story is a good reminder not to do this. The company will usually not return the favour, you rarely get properly rewarded for crazy hours, yet it has a major impact on your health (both mental and physical) in the long run. Not worth it. > It was not a 9 to 5 company.…
> This story is a good reminder not to do this. The company will usually not return the favour, you rarely get properly rewarded for crazy hours, yet it has a major impact on your health (both mental and physical) in the long run. Not worth it. And yet it's also a perfect example of the one time it does make sense to do so, which is when you own a decent chunk of the company that you're doing it for. > No wonder thin…
> And yet it's also a perfect example of the one time it does make sense to do so, which is when you own a decent chunk of the company that you're doing it for.
For Musk it might make sense, but I doubt it makes sense for most of his employees. Its not worth fucking your health and social life up over a payout, unless its huge. The typical Tesla worker isn't going to make enough from it to make it worth it, in my opinion.
> Yeah, that kind of effort is not sustainable for more than a few months at most.
Agreed, although likely you'll experience negative effects much sooner, although you may not properly burn out for a few months. There were some posts on HN recently about the long-lasting health impact stress has.
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> at-will employment laws I just don't get how we just can't over turn them politically state by state in State Elections. How is this not a thing? I live in an At Will State (PA) and it pretty much sucks to have the knowledge I can be fired for any reason and sure I still can sue but I can still lose even though I am 100% in the right.
> I just don't get how we just can't over turn them politically state by state in State Elections. How is this not a thing? Do most people want to overturn them? I think you're assuming that start state and it's perhaps not the case. > I can be fired for any reason And you can also leave for any reason. It's symmetrical. You don't have this right in some countries - I'd be careful about volunteering to give it up.
>And you can also leave for any reason. It's symmetrical. You don't have this right in some countries - I'd be careful about volunteering to give it up.
That's not symmetrical, or if it is, it's symmetrical in the same way as "heads I win, tails you lose." Being fired and quitting both place the entirety of the risk of unemployment on the employee, there is no counterbalance of power or risk on the part of the employer.
If health insurance wasn't tied to employment in the US, or if there were something like UBI, then the dynamics of at-will employment might be at least more symmetrical.
Re: Dr. Elon and Mr. Musk: Life Inside Tesla's Production Hell
#70Why do you guys say this is a negative article about Musk? Did you read the whole of it? It's quite a fair story about the downs and ups of Tesla in the past couple of years, and some of Musk's weird behaviors.
In the end, as the article mentioned, Tesla got through the 'production hell', October's financial reports were positive and Musk's emotions went back to (more) normal levels.