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China harvested organs from political prisoners, says tribunal

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Post by michaelmrose »

snthd wrote: post #124
tzs wrote: post #90

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Don't forget that one body can supply parts for several different transplants.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Go... > Because China lacks an organized organ matching and allocation system, and in order to satisfy expectations for very short wait times, it is rare that multiple organs are harvested from the same donor.

So 1 illicit transplants is actually 1 murder that is absolutely horrifying. If this has been going on since 2006 we could be looking at mass extermination hundreds of thousands.

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Post by pandaman »

reaperducer wrote: post #22
eric_b wrote: post #16

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> "According to the reports, political prisoners, mainly Falun Gong practitioners, are being executed "on demand" in order to provide organs to recipients." Wild... I had no idea this was going on. There are a lot of things about China that I disagree with, but this might be the worst thing I've heard so far.

Imagine how much more efficiently the Chinese government could identify involuntary donors if it had better access to people's personal information. Perhaps through a search engine of some kind. One with a harmless-sounding name. Maybe "Dragonfly" would be a good name.

My imagination fails here - the government administers mandatory physicals to the citizens and holds any other medical data, how a search engine will help it to be more efficient at finding matching donors? Am I missing something obvious here?

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Post by FireBeyond »

forapurpose wrote: post #167
blhack wrote: post #74

Why does the west continue to tolerate China as a trading partner? China is pretty obviously building their empire. They, as a government, appear to have almost no regard whatsoever for human life. They, as a government, appear to have absolutely no regard whatsoever for national sovereignty. They, as a government, appear to have absolutely no regard for the environment. It just seems completely inevitable to me that…

Unfortunately (for our cognitive load and moral comfort) the situation is much more complex: * It's hindsight to say China' embrace of authoritarianism, nationalism, and expansionism was inevitable. Even around ten years ago it was a much different place, with much more freedom of expression (you could find fascinating discussions of democracy by leading figures on Weibo, for example) [0] and a slow process of libera…

> Even around ten years ago it was a much different place, with much more freedom of expression (you could find fascinating discussions of democracy by leading figures on Weibo, for example) [0] and a slow process of liberalization.

And ten years before that, it was using deadly military force to subdue similar democratic thoughts in Tiananmen Square.

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Post by turtlecloud »

blhack wrote: post #74

Why does the west continue to tolerate China as a trading partner? China is pretty obviously building their empire. They, as a government, appear to have almost no regard whatsoever for human life. They, as a government, appear to have absolutely no regard whatsoever for national sovereignty. They, as a government, appear to have absolutely no regard for the environment. It just seems completely inevitable to me that…

The fear over Chinese taking over the world is overblown. They don’t have colonist tendencies, esp on non Asian people. Why would they want the burden of having to subjugate blacks, whites, and everyone else??

The fear of China is a reflection of white colonist mentality. When viewing the world they see it in terms of what they would do, not as what other cultures realistically would do.

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Post by dang »

Spidler wrote: post #110
blhack wrote: post #87

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>We (the U.S) tolerate their disrespect for human rights because we also do not respect human rights I'm sorry but this statement is just absolutely and completely ridiculous. I don't know if you've either never been to The United States, or you've never left The United States, but the difference between the respect that we have for human rights, and the respect that much of the rest of the world has, is stark.

How many children do you hold imprisoned right now? How many children have been defending themselves in courts recently? How many women, trans or otherwise have been suffering at the hands of your anti-women/abortion movement? You don't even prosecute the people who commit atrocities in your own country, much less those that commit them in others. You don't have respect for human rights or values. As an institution,…

Please don't post ideological or nationalistic flamebait to HN. It's not what this site is for, and this sort of outraged atrocity contest is just what we don't need—regardless of how valid your underlying points are.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by onetimemanytime »

flukus wrote: post #164
onetimemanytime wrote: post #140

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>> The US talks about respecting human rights, but has no problem with 1 million dead Iraqi civilians. So you took a poll, "do you give a rats @ss that 1 Million Iraqis were killed by USA" and most people didn't care? Let's tone it down, USA did not go there to kill a million people, it happened because of the war, and Saddam might have killed 2 mil if he was alive for Arab Spring. Not saying that Iraq war was justif…

> So you took a poll, "do you give a rats @ss that 1 Million Iraqis were killed by USA" and most people didn't care? The war had bipartisan support and the leader that started it was re-elected in the ultimate poll, so I'd say the majority are fine with it.

Not necessarily, as you know elections are about several major issues.

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Post by dorgo »

EdwardDiego wrote: post #215
crimsonalucard wrote: post #211

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Those classified documents showed how the government was spying on their own citizens and breaking the law. He was whistleblowing. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/07/edward-snowden... He is literally not allowed to denounce the government for breaking their own laws.

That's what classifying documents is for - to keep them secret. He didn't get in trouble for "denouncing the government", he got in trouble for publishing classified documents. I agree with what Snowden did, and respect him for having the courage to do so, but I'm not sure if you're trying to demonise the US government or legitimise the Chinese one by claiming the prosecuting someone for publishing classified documen…

How convinient. If I had broken the law I would also clasify all documents which could prove it.
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