China's arresting Canadians in revenge for the Huawei executive's arrest. Are those Canadians going to be murdered for their organs if the Huawei executive is extradited?
China harvested organs from political prisoners, says tribunal
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#152You have to give it to Trump for really sticking it to China in trade.
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#153If you're wondering how people can see through all manner of moral repugnance, here's Sacha Baron Cohen exploiting this for laughs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P65pZhZ-pks
Includes a segment about a Chinese dissident being eaten. Boggles the mind how the guy apparently thinks this is real human flesh and not only that, it's from a prisoner.
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#154Why does the west continue to tolerate China as a trading partner? China is pretty obviously building their empire. They, as a government, appear to have almost no regard whatsoever for human life. They, as a government, appear to have absolutely no regard whatsoever for national sovereignty. They, as a government, appear to have absolutely no regard for the environment. It just seems completely inevitable to me that…
China is a major and valuable contributor to the global economy, and instrumental in providing the first world citizens with cheap consumer goods.
Voters value bread and circuses above ethics or human rights of faraway people. In a democratic country, if a politician would implement impactful policies aimed to improve human rights elsewhere at the cost of local economic harm and inflation hitting their workers, then that politician would get voted out of office and these policies reversed - so they don't do that.
If some politician genuinely desire to help human rights elsewhere, then they'd still not implement such overt policies (since they'd get reversed and help no one) but implement subtle diplomatic pressure.
The same logic, by the way, explains the current situation with climate change.
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#155Why does the west continue to tolerate China as a trading partner? China is pretty obviously building their empire. They, as a government, appear to have almost no regard whatsoever for human life. They, as a government, appear to have absolutely no regard whatsoever for national sovereignty. They, as a government, appear to have absolutely no regard for the environment. It just seems completely inevitable to me that…
China is a major and valuable contributor to the global economy, and instrumental in providing the first world citizens with cheap consumer goods. Voters value bread and circuses above ethics or human rights of faraway people. In a democratic country, if a politician would implement impactful policies aimed to improve human rights elsewhere at the cost of local economic harm and inflation hitting their workers, then…
Other nation-states in the Asia Pacific would be perfectly willing to start taking our orders for commercial goods. No doubt the trade war with China has been, or will be, good for their industrial economies.
It is not ethics however that is driving a wedge between the United States and China. It is China's efforts to solidify its power over the Asian Pacific seas (in)conveniently named the China Sea and their trade routes, their One Road foreign policy efforts, and China's efforts to remain outside of the international order while also participating in it (e.g. IP theft, etc).
Re: China harvested organs from political prisoners, says tribunal
#156Why does the west continue to tolerate China as a trading partner? China is pretty obviously building their empire. They, as a government, appear to have almost no regard whatsoever for human life. They, as a government, appear to have absolutely no regard whatsoever for national sovereignty. They, as a government, appear to have absolutely no regard for the environment. It just seems completely inevitable to me that…
It just seems completely inevitable to me that China eventually wants to conquer the world. Why is the west enriching them
Up to the 20th century, the west had a surefire meta-strategy for dealing with world-conquering former empires like China. You bring them into modern industrial economics while exporting western culture. The massive changes would destabilize the old regime and turn it into another trading partner.
In 2018, media and economics have changed to the point where everything's now mediated by computers and networks. Things have changed so much, all we can be sure of is that meta-strategy no longer works in quite the same way.
These atrocities are being committed by a regime that has all but said that it intends to conquer the rest of the planet and export these atrocities as the standard operating procedure for the entire planet
You can say this for just about everyone on the world stage. Spain, France, Britain, and the US have all taken their turns as the lead player on that stage, and the quoted sentence could be applied to them all, just with different levels of severity for the atrocities. The long arc of history is really just about asymptotically reducing the level of atrocities to zero. The question of Chinese ascendancy is just a matter of when and how large the local spike in atrocity might be.
(EDIT: To clarify, the local spike in atrocity for Britain and the US were smaller than what came before, and the affect of their hegemony has been net positive.)
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#157When I was younger, maybe five years ago or so, I was living in Boston and I'd consistently see a pack of Chinese protestors outside the public library at Copley (very popular area) holding up signs, looking to gain attention for this very issue. They spoke to me as best as they could, handed me a pamphlet with hard-to-parse English but nonetheless gruesome descriptions, and asked for my signature along with any othe…
Buenos Aires is packed with these protests. I had the same skepticism you had, but my main obstacle is that its such a distant reality that is hardly meaningful to act on.
That's very true, and I had the same thought.
With that in mind, what do you think is their end goal? Is it just out of desperation they create petitions and such? It seems clear that China doesn't care much about the West's disapproval.
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#158When I was younger, maybe five years ago or so, I was living in Boston and I'd consistently see a pack of Chinese protestors outside the public library at Copley (very popular area) holding up signs, looking to gain attention for this very issue. They spoke to me as best as they could, handed me a pamphlet with hard-to-parse English but nonetheless gruesome descriptions, and asked for my signature along with any othe…
I can guarantee you many Chinese protestors you can see in US are protesting for political asylum. For them, protesting for is only a way to green card. Almost every Chinese Uber driver I met in SF are under political asylum
That makes a lot of sense. I always wondered what they considered the point of it to be, given that China doesn't care much about the West's opinion of them anyway.
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#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
> "According to the reports, political prisoners, mainly Falun Gong practitioners, are being executed "on demand" in order to provide organs to recipients." Wild... I had no idea this was going on. There are a lot of things about China that I disagree with, but this might be the worst thing I've heard so far.
Unbelievable. It would be an atrocity merely to rob someone of “non-vital” organs that they can live without, like a spare kidney. To murder someone and profit from the sale of vital organs is simply beyond my comprehension. I cannot fathom a more monstrous act.
There is another way to look at this.
These are people who are already subject to execution. They get to stay alive a bit longer in order to preserve the organs. So rather than causing death, the possibility of organ transplants is what keeps these people alive.
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#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
How many children do you hold imprisoned right now? How many children have been defending themselves in courts recently? How many women, trans or otherwise have been suffering at the hands of your anti-women/abortion movement? You don't even prosecute the people who commit atrocities in your own country, much less those that commit them in others. You don't have respect for human rights or values. As an institution,…
Abortion is itself a breach of Universal Declaration of Human Rights, including articles 3 (right to life), 6 (recognition as a person before the law), 7 (equality before the law).
You are equating a fetus with a fully developed human being. That is not medically verifiable.