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Re: China harvested organs from political prisoners, says tribunal

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Post by sgt101 »

josephpmay wrote: post #35
pasbesoin wrote: post #13

U.S. perspective, writing this. I find this is an area where a "moral decision" is rather clear-cut. And it highlights the... "amorality", at best, of much of our relationship (whether speaking at the personal level or the state/economy level) with contemporary China. With our technology, we've enabled and empowered a political and economic structure that has not... "sorted its shit" as part of achieving same. Simult…

At first look, from a Western perspective, this is 100% clear-cut morally bad. But I've also learned a limited amount about the Chinese moral perspective in college, and it can be a useful exercise to examine how someone who doesn't have a Judeo-Christian/Locke moral framework may view this practice. In some ways, the harvesting of organs from political prisoners can be viewed as the trolley problem. Killing one poli…

It's interesting; should humanity be abolished reason may lead to something terrible.

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Post by 1001101 »

reaperducer wrote: post #22
eric_b wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "According to the reports, political prisoners, mainly Falun Gong practitioners, are being executed "on demand" in order to provide organs to recipients." Wild... I had no idea this was going on. There are a lot of things about China that I disagree with, but this might be the worst thing I've heard so far.

Imagine how much more efficiently the Chinese government could identify involuntary donors if it had better access to people's personal information. Perhaps through a search engine of some kind. One with a harmless-sounding name. Maybe "Dragonfly" would be a good name.

Good incentive to get your social credit score up.

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Post by wetpaws »

eric_b wrote: post #16
miles wrote: post #9

Organ harvesting from Falun Gong practitioners in China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Go...

> "According to the reports, political prisoners, mainly Falun Gong practitioners, are being executed "on demand" in order to provide organs to recipients." Wild... I had no idea this was going on. There are a lot of things about China that I disagree with, but this might be the worst thing I've heard so far.

Every time you try to imagine some nightmarish dystopia, chances are China already implemented it with a great success.

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Post by EthanHeilman »

rhegart wrote: post #27

The false dichotomy of comparing the “evils” of USA whenever horrifying news comes out of China is worrying. Stretched to the extreme it’s the equivalent of bringing up Obama droning killing innocents when comparing The Nazis and Hitler. Our minds conflate the 2 things as bad and we compartmentalize them as such together. There is a world of difference between the 2. Imagine if the world order was not created by US a…

I think you are being downvoted for being off-topic.

>It seems nationalist but I agree with trump to bring our economic industries home.

It's worth a try although the chance of it happening given the complexity of modern industrial good is near zero. I don't think Trump actually wants this and if he does his actions are having the opposite effect. To seriously grow an industrial base in the US would require very open borders, a massive federal investment + subsidy and a complete elimination of tariffs.

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pasbesoin wrote: post #13

U.S. perspective, writing this. I find this is an area where a "moral decision" is rather clear-cut. And it highlights the... "amorality", at best, of much of our relationship (whether speaking at the personal level or the state/economy level) with contemporary China. With our technology, we've enabled and empowered a political and economic structure that has not... "sorted its shit" as part of achieving same. Simult…

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Post by myth_drannon »

sonnyblarney wrote: post #32

Interning millions of people on the basis of their ethnicity/religion, and then harvesting their organs ... now where have we heard this one before? I won't make the direct comparison because it'd normally seem hyperbolic in 2018 ... but this is happening in 2018. If this is true, it has to change the narrative quite firmly.

I think it is done for the first time in human history, unless you are thinking about Nazi's children camps in Belarus where they were drawing blood from children to be used for their soldiers (Krasny Bereg- http://mynativebelarus.blogspot.com/2012/04/krasny-bereg-chi...). I'm afraid the dystopian future is here, not in a sense of using certain groups of people for organ harvesting but as in growing humans in labs for that purpose. The Chinese government will most likely prefer the "cleaner" option.

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Post by RcouF1uZ4gsC »

cabalamat wrote: post #61
topkai22 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US would break its sanctioning tools if it took on China unilaterally with sanctions, but if they managed a coalition that included the EU and a few others it could work.

This would require the USA being a lot more willing to act co-operatively with other countries than its present leadership seems capable of.

It would also include the EU showing a lot more backbone than they usually do. Just look at the Russian sanctions and how natural gas is pitches from Russia by the EU.

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Post by conanbatt »

alehul wrote: post #34

When I was younger, maybe five years ago or so, I was living in Boston and I'd consistently see a pack of Chinese protestors outside the public library at Copley (very popular area) holding up signs, looking to gain attention for this very issue. They spoke to me as best as they could, handed me a pamphlet with hard-to-parse English but nonetheless gruesome descriptions, and asked for my signature along with any othe…

Buenos Aires is packed with these protests. I had the same skepticism you had, but my main obstacle is that its such a distant reality that is hardly meaningful to act on.
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