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Why does the west continue to tolerate China as a trading partner? China is pretty obviously building their empire. They, as a government, appear to have almost no regard whatsoever for human life. They, as a government, appear to have absolutely no regard whatsoever for national sovereignty. They, as a government, appear to have absolutely no regard for the environment. It just seems completely inevitable to me that…
Here is the best most levelheaded response I found, on Quora from someone who frequently presents a particular point of view: https://www.quora.com/Are-there-not-people-within-the-Chines...
She writes that organ harvesting is illegal, that nearly everyone in China opposes it, and that if someone were caught doing it, they would go to jail.
I'm not sure how to square that with a finding from a tribunal in Britain that "state organised or approved organisations or individuals" engaged in "forced organ harvesting from prisoners of conscience has been practised for a substantial period of time, involving a very substantial number of victims".
I guess she would probably respond by saying that the source is dubious and it cannot be true because the state wouldn't break the law like that?
Is that the view?
Why does the west continue to tolerate China as a trading partner? China is pretty obviously building their empire. They, as a government, appear to have almost no regard whatsoever for human life. They, as a government, appear to have absolutely no regard whatsoever for national sovereignty. They, as a government, appear to have absolutely no regard for the environment. It just seems completely inevitable to me that…
We (the U.S) tolerate their disrespect for human rights because we also do not respect human rights, as demonstrated by our relationship with Saudi Arabia, our many horrible wars, etc. We also do not respect national sovereignty, as demonstrated by our covert wars in South America, our firebombing of Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia, and our occupation of the Middle East.
We do business with them because they are like us. Or at least, like our business people. They want to grow their power as our businesses do. Not all business people are like this, but we allow the influential businesses to support these actions and we as a people do not stop it.
When I was younger, maybe five years ago or so, I was living in Boston and I'd consistently see a pack of Chinese protestors outside the public library at Copley (very popular area) holding up signs, looking to gain attention for this very issue. They spoke to me as best as they could, handed me a pamphlet with hard-to-parse English but nonetheless gruesome descriptions, and asked for my signature along with any othe…
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Economic Sanctions- possible, but only effective with Allies and a clear set of demands on what it takes to lift the sanctions UN Resolution- China is a veto holding member of the security council, not happening Boots on the ground- not worth it, even morally. A ground war with China will kill hundreds of thousands at a minimum.
A ground war with China will leave most of the United States a nuclear crater.
The US in contrast has 4000 active warheads, with at least 1300 on capable ballistic misfile delivery vehicles. If used in a countervalue attack, the Chinese would cease to exist as a relevant people.
Which as a long way of saying the US can escalate more than the Chinese, but actually getting into an open and direct conflict is a morally horrific idea.
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I guess it wouldn't be HN if we didn't tie every story back to our own issues. In this case, if Google ever does return to China I doubt the authorities would find it more useful for such purposes than existing sources such as iCloud, Bing, and Baidu already are.
Hey, at least everyone else is doing it too!
If we want to actually make a difference, we might consider calling for those existing services to change their ways. Harder to pressure the domestic Chinese companies, of course, but it's surprising how little attention is paid to Western companies who are actually in China and benefitting from it.
Why does the west continue to tolerate China as a trading partner? China is pretty obviously building their empire. They, as a government, appear to have almost no regard whatsoever for human life. They, as a government, appear to have absolutely no regard whatsoever for national sovereignty. They, as a government, appear to have absolutely no regard for the environment. It just seems completely inevitable to me that…
We fund them because it helps the people in charge get rich off the backs of cheap Chinese labor. We (the U.S) tolerate their disrespect for human rights because we also do not respect human rights, as demonstrated by our relationship with Saudi Arabia, our many horrible wars, etc. We also do not respect national sovereignty, as demonstrated by our covert wars in South America, our firebombing of Vietnam, Laos, and C…
I'm sorry but this statement is just absolutely and completely ridiculous. I don't know if you've either never been to The United States, or you've never left The United States, but the difference between the respect that we have for human rights, and the respect that much of the rest of the world has, is stark.
I quietly wondered, some weeks ago, when China’s “Khashoggi moment” might occur. This probably isn’t it, unless an individual story can emerge that can capture the public’s revulsion in a way that, for some reason, only an individual story can. It took one journalist’s murder and dismemberment to finally make Mohammed Bin-Salman politically radioactive in a way that thousands of dead and starving Yemenis could not. A…
China took and kidnapped their own international official personified in the head of the Interpol. Not much more than a squeak. So, I don't think you're going to hear about "unknowns" much. The Saudi journalist is an odd exception. Any other journalist (remember the Russian journalist assassinated, or the Maltese journalist). Like there is a squeak but not much else --which tells me there is something about the Saudi…
From the article, "The Independent Tribunal into Forced Organ Harvesting from Prisoners of Conscience in China heard evidence in public in London on 8-10 December. A seven strong panel questioned 30 witnesses, including refugees from China, doctors, and investigators.". Clearly, solid and irrefutable conclusions on such a serious matter only need 3 days of hearing from 30 witnesses.
Making statements about immoral acts by the Chinese government is probably something that takes a little bit of secrecy, security and assurances in the modern era. I have to wonder if you understand the situation.
So how many victims are there? CNN said in 2016 that there were 10k legal transplants and 60-100k actual transplants based on looking at actual volume of transplants at the largest hospitals and supposes that executed minorities compose the difference. Keep in mind that one victim could be sufficient to provide fodder for a number of operations. https://www.cnn.com/2016/06/23/asia/china-organ-harvesting/i... Do we ha…