China harvested organs from political prisoners, says tribunal
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Re: China harvested organs from political prisoners, says tribunal
#12any tricks to get full article?
That's one pricey paywall. For a PDF that's apparently slightly over one page.
Re: China harvested organs from political prisoners, says tribunal
#13I find this is an area where a "moral decision" is rather clear-cut.
And it highlights the... "amorality", at best, of much of our relationship (whether speaking at the personal level or the state/economy level) with contemporary China.
With our technology, we've enabled and empowered a political and economic structure that has not... "sorted its shit" as part of achieving same. Simultaneously, we've hollowed out our own system -- the checks and balances, as well as raw job counts.
The U.S. is far from perfect. Nonetheless, literally, physically "ripping the life" from one person, as a judgement, to benefit another. That is some symbolism. And a hallmark of what our own society has at least publicly considered to be "dystopia".
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P.S. I responded to a reply with the following, but the child comment was deleted before I finished. It was a more than fair point about what happens (over here), and the opportunity for response allowed me to better qualify the... "us versus them" -- or perhaps lack of a "versus" -- present in my original comment. So, copy/pasta of that reply of mine:
My "the U.S. is far from perfect" is an understatement -- one I worried about. I agree with your point, and I find the behaviors you point out abhorrent. Prison for profit; Econ. 101 teaches you what you're going to get from that.
The U.S. has, however, been pretty aggressive in regulating organ transplants. When they happen. How limited, hopefully ethical, supplies are distributed.
Of course, over this hangs the spectre of economic disparity, corresponding health insurance disparity and health care access...
Yes, the U.S. is making plenty of life-altering, life-destroying decisions. The "death panels" that actually exist but don't make it into the political discussion (i.e. not the ginned up political phantoms).
And, some of those disparities seem to have been severely exacerbated, domestically -- progress actively reversed -- through off-shoring, outsourcing, and the winner-take-all, short-term reward.
As I grow more depressed writing this, well, at least we aren't ripping out "prisoners'" organs -- yet.
(We go overseas and buy nice foreigners' kidneys, for that.)
Re: China harvested organs from political prisoners, says tribunal
#14It's also rumored they actively seek to harvest organs from Falun Gong practictioners...
Re: China harvested organs from political prisoners, says tribunal
#15Then, when such news show up while Trump is trying to make his deal with the Chinese and (it seems) even got a hostage recently, this makes me feel a bit suspicious of this article, especially since its content is pay-walled.
(I'm not defending organ-harvesting, which was already reported in the past, but the article must be specific about what has or has not happened, and should not use such vague statements.)
Re: China harvested organs from political prisoners, says tribunal
#16Organ harvesting from Falun Gong practitioners in China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Go...
Wild... I had no idea this was going on. There are a lot of things about China that I disagree with, but this might be the worst thing I've heard so far.
Re: China harvested organs from political prisoners, says tribunal
#17“During the 2000s, analysis of various sources of emerging evidence led to the conclusion that people who practised Falun Gong were being killed to provide the organs fuelling China’s transplant boom. “It is common for Chinese transplant professionals to parrot the Communist Party line saying that those who have been speaking out . . . have a ‘political agenda.’” In 2006 a whistleblower claimed that more than 4000 Falun Gong practitioners had been killed for their organs at the hospital in China where she worked. Subsequent independent investigators, including David Kilgour, former Canadian secretary of state for the Asia-Pacific, David Matas, an international human rights lawyer, and the investigative journalist Ethan Gutmann, have concluded that such practices occurred
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#18Re: China harvested organs from political prisoners, says tribunal
#19U.S. perspective, writing this. I find this is an area where a "moral decision" is rather clear-cut. And it highlights the... "amorality", at best, of much of our relationship (whether speaking at the personal level or the state/economy level) with contemporary China. With our technology, we've enabled and empowered a political and economic structure that has not... "sorted its shit" as part of achieving same. Simult…
I'm starting to warm to the idea of using tariffs and other punitive measures to drag manufacturing back to US shores.
Re: China harvested organs from political prisoners, says tribunal
#20Crazy that people are just finding this out. They've done this to three major groups of people.