Windows Server 2019 Includes OpenSSH

Post by oblio » Wed, Dec 12, 2018, 6:05 PM UTC

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Well, if you're going to trot out quotes from the 80s (more precisely, 1987, Henry Spencer), you should be aware that Microsoft made and sold one of the first commercial Unixes: Xenix. And they made it in 1980, long before your quote. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenix -> "In the mid-to-late 1980s, Xenix was the most common Unix variant, measured according to the number of machines on which it was installed.[1][2] M…

Apple successfully leveraged UNIX to develop macOS (officially UNIX) from which they developed iOS. Google successfully managed to leverage the Linux kernel (Unix-like) and Java to develop Android. Windows Phone, on the other hand, flopped.

Post by oblio » Wed, Dec 12, 2018, 7:00 PM UTC

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My original comment said: "there was no market for Unix for close to 2 decades". That was hyperbole, but: 1. 1980 to 1998 for Google, 18 years -> that's awfully close to 2 decades. 2.1980 to 2001 for Apple, 21 years -> that's more than 2 decades. So your counter examples confirm what I said. 3. Windows Phone and family failed because of marketing blunders, not because of tech. MS-DOS and Windows succeeded because of…

> Regarding Windows Phone: for technical reasons? Not really... Not alone, it was also the network effect, and Microsoft's terrible reputation they gained in the end of '90s and '00s. > 1980 to 2000 Yes, I noticed, but that isn't a representative range. If anything, what's relevant is their recent history: 1) Less proprietary software, more FOSS. 2) Data gathering is more important. 3) As the old cash cows dwindle (W…

Post by nailer » Wed, Dec 12, 2018, 7:08 PM UTC

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If you know enough to say: > Linux is a kernel. You also know that 'Linux' is more commonly used as a description of the userspace and other common software. You are starting an unnecessary argument.

And that description is wrong. The userpsace and other common software is not necessarily tied to the Linux kernel. Case in point, this whole article is about software originally developed for OpenBSD. OpenSSH has nothing to do with Linux.

Post by slededit » Wed, Dec 12, 2018, 7:33 PM UTC

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They started on this in the late 2000s when I was an intern there. But there was a lot to untangle. It’s the biggest refactoring job you can imagine. A decade long effort. Back then they didn’t really understand the point of ssh though. They had a vision of remote management via .net RPC and powershell.

This makes you seem like you don't understand the point of PowerShell remoting. Passing serialised scriptblocks to the remote host, executing them, and getting serialized objects back. Meaning you can pass serialisable objects around, handle errors, the multiple output streams, etc. over the remoting connection. Because it's integrated into the language, you can pull PowerShell modules over from the remote host to th…

Post by bayindirh » Wed, Dec 12, 2018, 7:40 PM UTC

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It's almost 2019. Are we still fighting over this? OTOH, purely from my experience, MS's tools are good for managing a domain, or some computers. When you start to administer hundreds or thousands of servers, scriptability of CLI tools and pliability of text files trumps all computer automation. xCAT and Salt are two tools (that I use regularly) which are built on these properties and can manage thousands of servers…

> scriptability of CLI tools and pliability of text files >trumps all computer automa I feel the need to sing, "You may have both.... you _may_ have both.... it's not so hard to imagine... MS even did it in certain products..."