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Windows Server 2019 Includes OpenSSH

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Re: Windows Server 2019 Includes OpenSSH

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Post by vetinari »

alexeldeib wrote: post #172
mgamache wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am running this on AWS. It was a 30 minute exercise and it's only available on the 'core' AMI. This means there is no GUI even if you wanted one. I do like the ability to run regular CMD or PowerShell. I am experimenting with using SSH to automate deployments to Windows Server.

TIL there's an AWS Windows AMI that comes without a GUI. Another user in the thread was talking about the "default install" of Windows not containing a GUI; wonder if this is what they meant.

If you install Windows 2016 RTM without changing a single option, you will end up without GUI. You have to choose "desktop experience" during install to get the traditional desktop installed.

Re: Windows Server 2019 Includes OpenSSH

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Post by mixmastamyk »

jimmaswell wrote: post #137
mscasts wrote: post #2

That is really something, before as a dev coming from linux when I first was about to login on a Windows Server I didn't understand how to do it since it were no SSH. Administrating the server via a GUI always felt backwards somehow. Why waste CPU cycles on rendering a UI when the CLI is so great (on linux)?

For just one thing, I find it a lot nicer being able to edit config files in Notepad++ or something instead of vim or nano. In my case I mount the remote Linux server as a drive on Windows.

You can do the same with geany or micro over sshfs if you so choose.

Re: Windows Server 2019 Includes OpenSSH

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Post by znpy »

scurvy wrote: post #142

Back when I was a sysadmin at Microsoft, we installed F-Secure's SSH server on every server we built (Messenger/Hotmail). The Windows team thought we were nuts. Well, what do you expect if you ask a bunch of Solaris admins to run Windows? There were no real alternatives. I remember when they got all excited about showing off remote Powershell to us circa 2004, and we collectively rolled our eyes.

Could you write more stories about that job you had?

I always wondered what messenger/hotmail was ran on, and such stories would be really really interesting imho.

Re: Windows Server 2019 Includes OpenSSH

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Post by craftyguy »

nailer wrote: post #209
craftyguy wrote: post #58

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> Linux has switched its kernel to NT. See WSL This makes absolutely no sense. Linux is a kernel. If Linux 'switched its kernel to NT', it would not be Linux. Perhaps you meant the userspace, which is not dependent upon the kernel?

If you know enough to say: > Linux is a kernel. You also know that 'Linux' is more commonly used as a description of the userspace and other common software. You are starting an unnecessary argument.

And that description is wrong. The userpsace and other common software is not necessarily tied to the Linux kernel.

Case in point, this whole article is about software originally developed for OpenBSD. OpenSSH has nothing to do with Linux.

Re: Windows Server 2019 Includes OpenSSH

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Post by amaccuish »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #240
amaccuish wrote: post #219

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> I think it's time for MS to develop a new ANSI/VT-compliant... They are doing exactly that: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2018/08/02/wind...

That’s not a shell. Pwershell, bash, and zsh are shells. A TTY/PTY is the infrastructure on top of which a shell runs.

The point was that there wasn't much they could do to make nicer shells if the backing text infrastructure was poor.

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Post by dsumenkovic »

techntoke wrote: post #122
IAmLiterallyAB wrote: post #112

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Github Enterprise is self hosted which eliminates that issue

GitLab can be self-hosted for free and provides a complete DevOps platform.

Thanks for writing about GitLab.

If you are wondering what's the Auto DevOps - GitLab Auto DevOps eliminates the complexities of getting going with automated software delivery by automatically setting up the pipeline and necessary integrations. You can find out more info at the landing page [1] and the documentation [2].

[1] https://about.gitlab.com/product/auto-devops/

[2] https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/topics/autodevops/

Re: Windows Server 2019 Includes OpenSSH

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Post by TimTheTinker »

amaccuish wrote: post #245
TimTheTinker wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s not a shell. Pwershell, bash, and zsh are shells. A TTY/PTY is the infrastructure on top of which a shell runs.

The point was that there wasn't much they could do to make nicer shells if the backing text infrastructure was poor.

Right, but my point was that now that they've done the work on the infrastructure, a bash-like native Windows shell would be really great.

Re: Windows Server 2019 Includes OpenSSH

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Post by mixmastamyk »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #57
mixmastamyk wrote: post #54

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Right-click on Start has always been a thing.

I strongly suggest you compare the two. It's not even remotely the same thing. On Windows 7, right-click on start offers two options: "Properties" and "Open Windows Explorer". On the current version of Windows 10, it has eighteen options, including handy options to launch PowerShell with or without admin rights, access admin tools like Event Viewer and Device Manager, etc.

Meh, I suppose that's somewhat convenient. Those have been available on the Start Menu however if you clicked a radio button in its preferences and enabled Admin tools. You can also right click the MyComputer and pick manage.

I don't use those so often that I need a dozen shortcuts.

Re: Windows Server 2019 Includes OpenSSH

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Post by dethswatch »

bayindirh wrote: post #160
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #136

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Microsoft's GUI management tools were really good and generally very discoverable. IMO they were a much better way to manage an OS than cryptically named CLI programs and text files. And most of them worked remotely. And by comparison to modern software they can not even remotely be considered bloated. Every electron application ever made is larger than all of RSAT. Now of course they suck ass because MS has no idea…

It's almost 2019. Are we still fighting over this? OTOH, purely from my experience, MS's tools are good for managing a domain, or some computers. When you start to administer hundreds or thousands of servers, scriptability of CLI tools and pliability of text files trumps all computer automation. xCAT and Salt are two tools (that I use regularly) which are built on these properties and can manage thousands of servers…

> scriptability of CLI tools and pliability of text files >trumps all computer automa

I feel the need to sing, "You may have both.... you _may_ have both.... it's not so hard to imagine... MS even did it in certain products..."

Re: Windows Server 2019 Includes OpenSSH

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Post by jimmaswell »

godzilla82 wrote: post #149
jimmaswell wrote: post #137

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For just one thing, I find it a lot nicer being able to edit config files in Notepad++ or something instead of vim or nano. In my case I mount the remote Linux server as a drive on Windows.

Mounting requires other ports to be opened, which no sysadmin will do on the internet. Ssh on the other hand can be started on a non standard port.

I do it over SFTP with a program called SFTP Net Drive. No additional ports besides the existing SSH.
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