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What do you consider the "literal default installation"?
Something very, very different to everyone else, it would seem.
‘Windows’ would be an interesting name for a product that by default had none.
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#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why not Mac? Best of both worlds.
I would have said the same thing a year ago. Today not so much because Apple hardware prices have skyrocketed. It used to be that a Mac cost 2x the PC equivalent, but now the cost is reaching 3x. For many, especially considering engineering salaries, that's justified. To me, having the familiar GNU toolchain and Linux configuration available at any moment without having to use a VM or Homebrew is worth the downgrade…
> Today not so much because Apple hardware prices have skyrocketed.
Have they? Or have PC prices fallen fast and far? It’s hard to compare due to the product continually changing (insert some sort of apples with apples joke), but it looks to me like Mac prices have fallen.
https://everymac.com/global-mac-prices/mac-prices-us-usa-uni...
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I know it’s a joke, but OpenSSH is not that old: its initial release was in December, 1999.
Looks like it was forked from some predecessors ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Shell#OSSH ) but doesn't go into the history much more than that. I remember telnet, where there any encrypted predecessors before the ssh family?
There was/is kerberized telnet/rsh/rlogin, with optional encryption.
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#194I really like the idea, but if you're going to administer production Windows servers, it seems like you may as well learn PowerShell which already has a nice remoting framework.
> nice remoting framework
Hell no. I’ve tried to use that thing on Windows 2012 and it was awful compared to what OpenSSH brings to the table.
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So, I am not a big fan of windows- so do not take this for defence of windows. But my understanding is that windows fleets are just administered drastically differently than Linux fleets. On Linux we have a lot of config management tools and commandline remote administration kits. In windows they have SCCM and remote access GUIs which do not get rendered on the target server. It’s very common to see a GUI program whi…
This is changing: * Desired State Configuration: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/powershell/dsc/overview * Powershell Remoting (please, please let SSH replace this) * Microsoft's new command line push - cmd and the underlying console have had big updates recently * https://github.com/microsoft/console * https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2018/07/20/wind...
Yes and no. Having used DSC and powershell remoting extensively, these create as many problems as they solve. Nothing works smoothly. Not a thing.
The saving grace here will be SSH because then at least we can drive all our kit across both platforms from Ansible and be done with the entire MSFT management stack.
At the moment we use Ansible but it runs over WinRM which is completely unreliable due to some architectural problems with how WinRM works.
Really, automation on Windows is extremely costly compared to Linux. I've got to the point I never want to run Windows infrastructure again.
Before anyone says "it's getting better". That has been the case from 10 years and it only got different.
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They can browse your private projects though so nobody in the right mind would use them to run cutting edge business.
I’m the farthest thing in the world from an open source zealot. But, I can’t think of a single company that lives or dies by its source code being a secret. If I had all of the source code from any of the FAANG companies what would I do with it? The only one that may be valuable is Google and I could make a killing from knowing how to do SEO. But even then it would take an army of very smart developers to figure it o…
Maybe you wouldn't do anything with it but there are smart people out there who could and bring profits.
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If you have money you can be a leader of anything, but without heart and motivated by greed are you really?
Clearly not true. Microsoft had a position of industry dominance in the mid to late 1990s, money was never in short supply. They couldn't be the leader of open source back then because of their culture and attitude toward open source. The open source industry knew it and the dislike was mutual. Even if they had wanted to, they couldn't have purchased loyalty from open source users & developers, while simultaneously b…
Back then they didn't believe they can make money off the open source. Now they are picking the fruits of the others labour.
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#199That's really nice that they've finally decided to add something that a lot of people needed in 2005.
They also got notepad to not blow everything up when opening a file with normal line endings. It still fucks everything up when creating new files though.
I guess, with "normal" line endings, you mean instead of .
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#200As someone who just started working as a developer and is using windows for the first time in 4.5 years, I can't believe how much I miss ssh and command line tools for everything... ssh keys would solve so much trouble with scripting and credentials... Also sudo...
As other comments mentioned, just use the Linux sub-system + I would add Cmder as an alternative to the horrible native console.
Edit: Cmder - http://cmder.net/