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Re: CLEAVE – Ergonomic Mechanical Keyboard

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Post by Semaphor »

kkarakk wrote: post #25
skocznymroczny wrote: post #24

I had a period of being enamored with mechanical keyboards, but not any more. I tried various switches, high-profile, low-profile, always looking for the end-game keyboard. In the end, I realized that I still had more fun typing on Apple Wired Keyboard or even basic keyboards like Logitech K120. I don't imagine coming back to mechanical keyboards any time soon. I'll stick to scissor switches for the time being I gues…

>Apple Wired Keyboard/logitech k120 ...how do you prefer this? it's just one step above typing on a touchscreen, keys are mushy feeling and i keep mistyping because i don't get feedback. also using for long periods of time is murder on the wrists how long have you been held hostage by these kinda keyboards that you prefer them now

I used something similar to the k120 (no idea about the apple one) over the years. I get feedback and I don't have those huge valleys between the keys.

I can't do 10 finger typing and I don't write long texts, so that might be the reason.

Re: CLEAVE – Ergonomic Mechanical Keyboard

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Post by PurpleRamen »

hanniabu wrote: post #12

> 100% Anti‑Ghosting technology with Full N‑Key Rollover What is ghosting in this context and what is Full N_Key Rollover?

Basically, in a keyboard several keyswitches share the same wires. Thus when pressing keys on the same wire it can happen that the controller recognize the wrong key or multiple keys. This can be solved and depending on how many keys you can press at the same time it's called 2-key,3-key, etc. or n-key when there is no limit.

Should be noted that USB is limited by design to 6-key, only PS2 allows AFAIK true n-key.

You can look up matrix-wiring and diodes in keyboards if you want a more realistic explenation regarding the problems in keyboard-design

Re: CLEAVE – Ergonomic Mechanical Keyboard

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Post by lostdog »

theptip wrote: post #17

I used the old version of this keyboard for a few years. I liked the layout; it has the advantage of being fairly similar to a standard QWERTY keyboard (e.g. a non-split or Microsoft Natural Ergonomic 4000) but with a few modifications to make it more compact, and so it's very quick to learn. Major downside would be that it died within 2 years and I couldn't get any response from support, and the website stopped sell…

Same thing happened to me: I loved the layout, but the keybord died after a year. I switched to a kinesis, since I know other people who have kept theirs for years.

Re: CLEAVE – Ergonomic Mechanical Keyboard

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Post by Fnoord »

ztjio wrote: post #27
skocznymroczny wrote: post #24

I had a period of being enamored with mechanical keyboards, but not any more. I tried various switches, high-profile, low-profile, always looking for the end-game keyboard. In the end, I realized that I still had more fun typing on Apple Wired Keyboard or even basic keyboards like Logitech K120. I don't imagine coming back to mechanical keyboards any time soon. I'll stick to scissor switches for the time being I gues…

I was right there with you until my final attempt which sealed the deal and helped me figure out why I struggled with the first few tries. The big clincher was the switches. So many mech nerds pine over the clicky bs. NO. THANK. YOU. The magical solution for me is using Cherry Speed Silver RGB switches. There are basically hair trigger switches, no clicking, none of that crap. They respond like a low profile laptop k…

Optical switches such as Flaretech switches might be interesting if you want near instant activation. An example is the Wooting One (TKL) and Wooting Two (full) [1].

I've settled for a HHKB with BT/USB. It is ideal for *nix and development. For gaming, I just use my current mechanical keyboard though it is noisy.

[1] https://wooting.io/wootingone

Re: CLEAVE – Ergonomic Mechanical Keyboard

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Post by lincolnq »

throwawa485 wrote: post #19
mivvy wrote: post #5

I used the original Truly Ergonomic (TECK) for several years and really liked it overall. However of the three I bought, two had serious key chatter issues and it's very difficult to get any support. The company has a really poor reputation as demonstrated by many threads on Geekhack ( https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=89035.0 ) I switched to the Ergodox (currently Infinity model) and am very satisfied, but they c…

Why is this so common on these ergonomic mechanical keyboards? I had a similar problem with my Kinesis Advantage. After less than 3 months, it would randomly type out gibberish. I reset it multiple times and even tried different computers and OSes and it was the same. Would have needed to spend 100+ to get the board replaced. So now it's a $300 paperweight. There was another brand that had similar reviews on Amazon o…

Counter-anecdote: I own 2 Kinesis Advantage and they're both working perfectly after 11yr and 5yrs respectively.

Re: CLEAVE – Ergonomic Mechanical Keyboard

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Post by bonestamp2 »

hanniabu wrote: post #12

> 100% Anti‑Ghosting technology with Full N‑Key Rollover What is ghosting in this context and what is Full N_Key Rollover?

It refers to the way the circuit board is designed. Older keyboards were generally designed with the intention that only one, maybe two, keys would be held down at once.

But, modern applications (especially games), often require or support many keys to be pressed at once. This has required keyboard circuits to be designed to handle that. Ghosting is what happens when it's not designed to handle that (the computer registers key presses that weren't actually pressed) and N_Key Rollover is what you get when you eliminate ghosting and allow N number of keys to be pressed at once.

Re: CLEAVE – Ergonomic Mechanical Keyboard

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Post by polyfather »

gregwebs wrote: post #30

I think a keyboard has to split in two to be truly ergonomic (otherwise it isn't really adjustable to the user). I was a happy user of an ErgoPro [1] for a year until it stopped working. I tried the Ergodox but really didn't like adapting to its compacted layout. I am about to purchase a Mistrel Barocco. [1] http://matias.ca/ergopro/pc/

I have to agree. This situation has been bothering me for quite some time. In the last 8-10 years (who's counting), I've gone through four Matias ErgoPros. Their rate of failure is much higher than I'd expect for a mechanical keyboard, but I've yet to find a better board (despite the build issues and sticky keys problem).

I've looked and looked, but haven't yet any better boards to suite my simplish criteria:

a) Mechanical b) Split (and not fixed) c) Full-ish key layout

At least when you have a stack of ErgoPros, you can start mixing and matching the working halves.

Re: CLEAVE – Ergonomic Mechanical Keyboard

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Post by tomsmeding »

kkarakk wrote: post #25
skocznymroczny wrote: post #24

I had a period of being enamored with mechanical keyboards, but not any more. I tried various switches, high-profile, low-profile, always looking for the end-game keyboard. In the end, I realized that I still had more fun typing on Apple Wired Keyboard or even basic keyboards like Logitech K120. I don't imagine coming back to mechanical keyboards any time soon. I'll stick to scissor switches for the time being I gues…

>Apple Wired Keyboard/logitech k120 ...how do you prefer this? it's just one step above typing on a touchscreen, keys are mushy feeling and i keep mistyping because i don't get feedback. also using for long periods of time is murder on the wrists how long have you been held hostage by these kinda keyboards that you prefer them now

The external Apple keyboards are not as mushy and and bad as you make them out to be. I don't know about the logitech, but I've worked with an external Apple keyboard for a number of years now and it works great. I like the newer variant somewhat less (it has less travel), but my previous version is still going strong.

Re: CLEAVE – Ergonomic Mechanical Keyboard

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Post by antimora »

eyeball wrote: post #4

Looks tempting but I just got my ultimate hacking keyboard. Need to give that some time to get into the muscle memory.

I ordered a month ago but I have not received it yet. How did it take to receive yours?

Link for curious about this keyboard: https://ultimatehackingkeyboard.com/

Re: CLEAVE – Ergonomic Mechanical Keyboard

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Post by diimdeep »

gregwebs wrote: post #30

I think a keyboard has to split in two to be truly ergonomic (otherwise it isn't really adjustable to the user). I was a happy user of an ErgoPro [1] for a year until it stopped working. I tried the Ergodox but really didn't like adapting to its compacted layout. I am about to purchase a Mistrel Barocco. [1] http://matias.ca/ergopro/pc/

https://github.com/diimdeep/awesome-split-keyboards
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