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After landing a lucrative job at a tech startup, I had made a terrible mistake

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Re: After landing a lucrative job at a tech startup, I had made a terrible mistake

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It's just lazy sexism. Some startups have a party culture and some folks conflate that with the "male problem". For my part I like to share the anecdotal evidence of a past company where our star beer-pong player was a female engineer.

It's not "lazy sexism," "bro" in "brogrammer" comes from the "bro" subculture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bro_(subculture)

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Re: After landing a lucrative job at a tech startup, I had made a terrible mistake

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It's just lazy sexism. Some startups have a party culture and some folks conflate that with the "male problem". For my part I like to share the anecdotal evidence of a past company where our star beer-pong player was a female engineer.

It's not "lazy sexism," "bro" in "brogrammer" comes from the "bro" subculture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bro_(subculture)

It is lazy sexism because engineers are nothing like the "bro" subculture. From the article you linked:

> "The subculture is not defined consistently or concretely, but refers to a type of "fratty masculinity"

Engineers are underrepresented in fraternities.

> predominantly "if not exclusively" white In Silicon Valley tech,

Asians are overrepresented by a factor of 10, while whites are roughly at parity with the demographics of the US.

> associated with frayed-brim baseball hats,

Engineers are less likely to care about sports than other men.

> oxford shirts,

Engineers are famously casual.

> sports team T-shirts,

Engineers are less likely to care about sports than other men.

cargo shorts,

> Maybe this one applies :)

and boat shoes or sandals

> Boat shoes? Hardly.

Re: After landing a lucrative job at a tech startup, I had made a terrible mistake

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I enjoyed the article; I find the description entirely plausible and totally depressing. It definitely reminds me of Dan Lyons' book "Disrupted", which was also perfectly believable. I've been around since Bubble 1.0; I started working in San Francisco in 1997. The thing I find horrifying about this article is the way Vision Critical apparently takes the worst aspects of startups and amplifies them, while taking the…

The sales-bro culture is tightly coupled with the standard sales compensation model. You generally have to give salespeople large commissions, both because they expect it and because the best salespeople are too expensive to justify as a fixed cost. And it's only natural that people want a bell to ring and drinks to chug when they're regularly earning five-figure bonuses.

I doubt it's actually "natural". And if it is, that something is natural doesn't mean it's right. Tuberculosis comes to mind, for example.

Re: After landing a lucrative job at a tech startup, I had made a terrible mistake

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> On the other hand these startups are voluntary organizations. You choose to work there or not. I think this sounds good in theory and is very shaky in practice. For example, look at indentured servitude [1], where people can sell themselves into time-limited slavery. Once common, it has been banned. You will find people suggesting we bring it back while waving the banner of "freedom". It's especially erroneous here…

>>I think this sounds good in theory and is very shaky in practice. If it were shaky, a court of law somewhere would find a comparable employment arrangement fraudulent and ultimately non-voluntary. Social activists appealing to the court of public opinion, where under-informed people can be swayed with appeals to emotion, to change how interactions are governed, instead of a court of law, where a jury of one's peers…

You seem to be confusing the moral discussion we were having with some sort of legal question. Legality sometimes correlates with morality, but often diverges. As an example, slavery was legal.

Re: After landing a lucrative job at a tech startup, I had made a terrible mistake

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>>I think this sounds good in theory and is very shaky in practice. If it were shaky, a court of law somewhere would find a comparable employment arrangement fraudulent and ultimately non-voluntary. Social activists appealing to the court of public opinion, where under-informed people can be swayed with appeals to emotion, to change how interactions are governed, instead of a court of law, where a jury of one's peers…

You seem to be confusing the moral discussion we were having with some sort of legal question. Legality sometimes correlates with morality, but often diverges. As an example, slavery was legal.

I'm questioning the truth of your statement. A court of law is a highly effective tool for ascertaining the truth of an argument, and the laws as set up will invalidate a contract that finds truthful the argument that it is non-voluntary. Yet no such working arrangements have been nullified on the basis that a court found them non-voluntary.

If a position has never been corroborated by court rulings, despite incentives existing to argue that position, then it's almost certainly not factually sound.

Re: After landing a lucrative job at a tech startup, I had made a terrible mistake

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I can only speak for Germany but there are tons of such jobs here. Americans regularly mock German IT wages but I can go home around 4pm consistently without anybody looking at me weirdly. I might not have a snooker table or free soft drinks in the office but I don't need to live there because my free time is actually my free time.

In Canada now, but it isn't much better. As the article says, we get the worst of both worlds: lower wages and shitty work conditions. Seriously considering Europe in the near future. Not sure every EU country is equal on that front though, the UK (although not technically EU anymore) seems to have the same unhealthy relationship to work as North America does.

The UK has about the weakest implementation of EU labour laws available (in particular its implementation of the working time directive is terribly watered down). The legal situation is still a good bit more employee friendly than the US, though.

Re: After landing a lucrative job at a tech startup, I had made a terrible mistake

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Seems like that's what it is. Only heard about it recently through another offhand reference in another HN comment. https://www.teamblind.com/articles/Topics

Even just a quick glance at the stuff visible is pretty uhh.. interesting, I'd think it was a parody site if I didn't know better

Just looked. It does kind of come across as an elaborate parody...

Re: After landing a lucrative job at a tech startup, I had made a terrible mistake

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Let's not forget about one Interface for one Class, because that adds flexibility in the future :)

I never understood this objection. The interface adds flexibility in the present - it allows other classes to depend on an abstraction instead of a concrete class. The future is absolutely irrelevant here, since YAGNI.

Show me a guy who says YAGNI and I’ll show you a guy who has coded their way into a corner that the only way out is a total rewrite. Why do you think webdevs throw everything away every couple of years?

Re: After landing a lucrative job at a tech startup, I had made a terrible mistake

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I never understood this objection. The interface adds flexibility in the present - it allows other classes to depend on an abstraction instead of a concrete class. The future is absolutely irrelevant here, since YAGNI.

Show me a guy who says YAGNI and I’ll show you a guy who has coded their way into a corner that the only way out is a total rewrite. Why do you think webdevs throw everything away every couple of years?

>Why do you think webdevs throw everything away every couple of years?

Because their bosses tell them to and because it looks better on their resume, not because the code they have suddenly stops working.

Chances are you're not gonna need it. Chances are you don't even need most what you do have.

Re: After landing a lucrative job at a tech startup, I had made a terrible mistake

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Even just a quick glance at the stuff visible is pretty uhh.. interesting, I'd think it was a parody site if I didn't know better

Just looked. It does kind of come across as an elaborate parody...

It really does. But in their FAQs they don't have a "Is this an elaborate joke?" question, and they appear to validate work email addresses.
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