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Windows Server 2019 Includes OpenSSH

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Re: Windows Server 2019 Includes OpenSSH

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Post by 21 »

cenal wrote: post #51
emilfihlman wrote: post #14

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Windows ux is better out of the box than on any Linux so far, it's really polished. The office suite is also much better than alternatives. So just switching the kernel to Linux would be enough and super winrar.

My biggest complaints with Windows are the spying on users, the forced updates on users, the registry still existing, and the NTFS file system still being the primary file system. The kernel is actually likable but would benefit from being open source and the GUI is a horrible blend of touch screen and legacy input hybridness that I wish never existed.

> the registry still existing

You know that GNOME also has a registry, right? https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Projects/dconf

Re: Windows Server 2019 Includes OpenSSH

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Post by manigandham »

nwah1 wrote: post #71
sys_64738 wrote: post #68

Microsoft is becoming the defacto leader in open source.

This is almost undeniable. Seems like everyone and their mother are using vscode, typescript is huge, .NET Core is FOSS, PowerShell is now open source, etc etc. The Language Server Protocol has revolutionized IDEs in general. And now that they own GitHub (and their projects like Atom), it seems like the entire FOSS developer workflow is likely to be from MS-derived projects. Which I'm sure they are hoping will transl…

The old Bizspark (and Bizspark Plus) programs have changed into a single Startups program which is more selective. Still great value if you can get it.

Re: Windows Server 2019 Includes OpenSSH

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Post by manigandham »

sleet wrote: post #80
nwah1 wrote: post #71

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This is almost undeniable. Seems like everyone and their mother are using vscode, typescript is huge, .NET Core is FOSS, PowerShell is now open source, etc etc. The Language Server Protocol has revolutionized IDEs in general. And now that they own GitHub (and their projects like Atom), it seems like the entire FOSS developer workflow is likely to be from MS-derived projects. Which I'm sure they are hoping will transl…

Unfortunately Bizspark is only available though accelerators, incubators, and VCs now.

Bizspark doesn't exist anymore, it's a single program called Microsoft for Startups now, and it does allow you to apply directly: https://startups.microsoft.com/en-us/faq/

Re: Windows Server 2019 Includes OpenSSH

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Post by TimTheTinker »

scarface74 wrote: post #59
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #4

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Microsoft has come a really long way recently towards moving to CLI-based management. Starting with Server 2016, the default installation method of Windows Server no longer includes most of the GUI (called the Desktop Experience), leaving you with a command prompt window in the middle of the screen instead. An even thinner version of Windows Server, Nano Server, is also available, and includes even less GUI, being mu…

I’ve been developing on and for Windows for 20 years and just started doing anything with Linux earlier this year. If you told me I had to do anything advanced with Windows using only a CLI, I wouldn’t know where to start. On the other hand, I could maneuver my way around a bash shell. I haven’t thought about that before now.....

I think it's time for MS to develop a new ANSI/VT-compliant, text-oriented shell (to complement PowerShell, which is largely object- and API-oriented). There ought to be a default shell worth using on the other end when you ssh into a Windows server :)

cmd.exe and DOS were both text-oriented but extremely buggy and inconsistent. Perhaps MS could just focus on providing a very bash-like language (perhaps even include gnu utilities) while supporting the major interactive use cases for cmd.

Re: Windows Server 2019 Includes OpenSSH

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Post by killjoywashere »

slededit wrote: post #92
TimTheTinker wrote: post #76

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> Back then they didn’t really understand the point of ssh though. As an outside observer, it really looked to me like Microsoft had their head in the clouds up until about 2011. It's like the whole decade between 2005-2015 for MS was about recognizing and coming to terms with the multiple "whole worlds out there" and getting past NIH syndrome.

They understood the GUI couldn’t be everything but NIH was definitely in full swing at that time. It was enforced from the top: If you wanted to use an external product and MSFT had a competitor you needed VP approval. Same went for Open Source. Only the most senior people would even attempt it, and it was understood they were spending political capital. The one place this didn’t apply was your choice of code editor.…

As someone who uses Vim on relatively large files daily (500k - 1.5M lines), where were the hangups?

Re: Windows Server 2019 Includes OpenSSH

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Post by conanthe »

nwah1 wrote: post #71
sys_64738 wrote: post #68

Microsoft is becoming the defacto leader in open source.

This is almost undeniable. Seems like everyone and their mother are using vscode, typescript is huge, .NET Core is FOSS, PowerShell is now open source, etc etc. The Language Server Protocol has revolutionized IDEs in general. And now that they own GitHub (and their projects like Atom), it seems like the entire FOSS developer workflow is likely to be from MS-derived projects. Which I'm sure they are hoping will transl…

They can browse your private projects though so nobody in the right mind would use them to run cutting edge business.

Re: Windows Server 2019 Includes OpenSSH

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Post by rkeene2 »

nxc18 wrote: post #64
acct1771 wrote: post #30

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Because? What advantages does it offer?

Read Windows Internals. It's a very different design from Linux. Worth learning about another approach to operating systems if you're at all interested. WNT evolved (spiritually) from VMS and has a lot of unique things in its structure. Note also that Windows already kind of is a perfectly serviceable Linux kernel through WSL. That's one of the unique things about NT - it was designed for binary compatibility for pro…

This compatibility layer approach is quite common. Solaris Linux Branded Zones and FreeBSD Linux Emulation Layer (now defunct?) also did the same thing.
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