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Windows Server 2019 Includes OpenSSH

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Re: Windows Server 2019 Includes OpenSSH

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Post by isostatic »

sixothree wrote: post #21
mscasts wrote: post #2

That is really something, before as a dev coming from linux when I first was about to login on a Windows Server I didn't understand how to do it since it were no SSH. Administrating the server via a GUI always felt backwards somehow. Why waste CPU cycles on rendering a UI when the CLI is so great (on linux)?

Most of those GUIs are just wrappers for the CLI to begin with. Heck, the default installation of windows does not even have a GUI. People ahem really need to update their thinking of what it means to be Windows.

> People ahem really need to update their thinking of what it means to be Windows.

Why? What benefit is there to me using windows rather than a proper operating system?

Re: Windows Server 2019 Includes OpenSSH

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Post by slededit »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #76
slededit wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They started on this in the late 2000s when I was an intern there. But there was a lot to untangle. It’s the biggest refactoring job you can imagine. A decade long effort. Back then they didn’t really understand the point of ssh though. They had a vision of remote management via .net RPC and powershell.

> Back then they didn’t really understand the point of ssh though. As an outside observer, it really looked to me like Microsoft had their head in the clouds up until about 2011. It's like the whole decade between 2005-2015 for MS was about recognizing and coming to terms with the multiple "whole worlds out there" and getting past NIH syndrome.

They understood the GUI couldn’t be everything but NIH was definitely in full swing at that time. It was enforced from the top: If you wanted to use an external product and MSFT had a competitor you needed VP approval. Same went for Open Source. Only the most senior people would even attempt it, and it was understood they were spending political capital.

The one place this didn’t apply was your choice of code editor. You could use whatever you wanted and that had long been tradition. I spent a lot of effort getting VIM to work only to realize it didn’t scale well to multi-million LOC code bases.

Re: Windows Server 2019 Includes OpenSSH

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Post by gruez »

pkaye wrote: post #47
curt15 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does Linux have the equivalent of WinNT's i/o completion ports to prevent heavy I/O from freezing the user interface?

What about asynchronous I/O calls? Or using separate threads for I/O vs UI?

>What about asynchronous I/O calls?

random google result: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11866076

>Or using separate threads for I/O vs UI?

not the target use for completion ports, which is handling thousands of outstanding IO requests with a few threads.

Re: Windows Server 2019 Includes OpenSSH

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Post by cm2187 »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #4
mscasts wrote: post #2

That is really something, before as a dev coming from linux when I first was about to login on a Windows Server I didn't understand how to do it since it were no SSH. Administrating the server via a GUI always felt backwards somehow. Why waste CPU cycles on rendering a UI when the CLI is so great (on linux)?

Microsoft has come a really long way recently towards moving to CLI-based management. Starting with Server 2016, the default installation method of Windows Server no longer includes most of the GUI (called the Desktop Experience), leaving you with a command prompt window in the middle of the screen instead. An even thinner version of Windows Server, Nano Server, is also available, and includes even less GUI, being mu…

I am not aware that windows is rendering any pixel while no active desktop session is launched. You have less binaries and probably a smaller memory footprint without desktop but I would be surprised if the performance difference was material.

Re: Windows Server 2019 Includes OpenSSH

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Post by baroffoos »

ratsbane wrote: post #23

That's really nice that they've finally decided to add something that a lot of people needed in 2005.

They also got notepad to not blow everything up when opening a file with normal line endings. It still fucks everything up when creating new files though.

Re: Windows Server 2019 Includes OpenSSH

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Post by tom_ »

Always a bit of a mystery to me that POSIX users couldn't figure out Windows until they added a bunch of Unix stuff to it. Here was me thinking that Unix fans were the clever ones, able to learn whatever they put their mind to, unlike the shit-flinging Windows monkeys, able to acquire new skills only through heroic amounts of rote memorization.

Re: Windows Server 2019 Includes OpenSSH

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Post by JoshTriplett »

tom_ wrote: post #98

Always a bit of a mystery to me that POSIX users couldn't figure out Windows until they added a bunch of Unix stuff to it. Here was me thinking that Unix fans were the clever ones, able to learn whatever they put their mind to, unlike the shit-flinging Windows monkeys, able to acquire new skills only through heroic amounts of rote memorization.

This type of attitude isn't particularly helpful.

And in any case: it's easy enough to learn Windows, but it gets a lot better when you put decent command-line tools on it.

(Yes, I already know about PowerShell and don't need twelve replies advocating it as a revolutionary concept.)

Re: Windows Server 2019 Includes OpenSSH

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Post by [deleted] »

tom_ wrote: post #98

Always a bit of a mystery to me that POSIX users couldn't figure out Windows until they added a bunch of Unix stuff to it. Here was me thinking that Unix fans were the clever ones, able to learn whatever they put their mind to, unlike the shit-flinging Windows monkeys, able to acquire new skills only through heroic amounts of rote memorization.

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