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Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by dorgo »

ahje wrote: post #107
TeMPOraL wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But how does one avoid asking every time when cookies are blocked? What other implementation option is possible? This is what cookies are for. Local storage? Detect if cookies are blocked? Or, simply don't use cookies for purposes other than providing the service - which exempts you from the need to show the message?

> Or, simply don't use cookies for purposes other than providing the service This, or as a minimum: Don't track people who has the DNT header set.

You mean the DNT header which is set by default in browsers? Then we can simplify your proposal to: "Don't track people"

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by netcan »

"rather than taking in the criticism and warning from knowledgeable experts, they're just adding in duct-taped "but this won't do x" for every complaint where people warn what the actual impact of the rules"

This is pretty typical of committee-planned anything, corporate or bureaucratic. They take concerns and "address" them. As long as everything has been addressed...

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by dorgo »

a_imho wrote: post #79
roblabla wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you propose the website remembers your preference except through the use of a cookie? Cookies are the only way to keep client side state in a cross browser way. Keep in mind, cookies for non tracking purpose are allowed under the cookie law.

Only remember my preferences when I explicitly ask the site and opt-in to cookies?

That's the reason you see cookie-banners. They are your chance to opt-in.

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by Tade0 »

q12we34rt5 wrote: post #103
tastroder wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean like... Netflix being prevented from streaming through your ISP (the only one available in your area mind) because Google paid it more to prefer YouTube traffic? The things Americans will frame as freedom of choice will continue to baffle me I guess.

>You mean like... Netflix being prevented from streaming through your ISP (the only one available in your area mind) because Google paid it more to prefer YouTube traffic? You mean a thing that has literally never happened anywhere in the US? > The things Americans will frame as freedom of choice will continue to baffle me I guess. I understand that you are frustrated with what is happening with this new legislation…

You mean a thing that has literally never happened anywhere in the US?

This specifically may not have happened, but these things certainly did:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17284597

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by icebraining »

tokyodude wrote: post #97
Loic wrote: post #90

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GDPR is very good in fact. If you read through it as a person, it is basically the way we should have operated from the start. Reading it while wearing the hat of my role in my company, I can see all the points where we are collecting data without a well defined process and clear understanding from the end users. It is hard to fix this, but it is for my own good as a person.

Can you explain to me how the deletion policies work? If you ask for your data to be deleted does that include your address in my contacts? Does it include your messages to me? Does it include your posts that appeared on my feed? In the physical world all of those would be mine. Addresses: It would be my paper address book with your address written in it. Email: would paper letters you sent to me that I keep in my fi…

In the physical world all of those would be mine.

This is a common misconception, but the GDPR applies to the physical world as well. The regulation only talks about "personal data in a filing system", which is a generic term.

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by scarejunba »

iso1337 wrote: post #35
baxter001 wrote: post #2

As with most interesting problems, this legislation hasn't been written with a focus on what sort of end-results are easiest to arrive at a technical solution for. This article characterises that as 'magic wand regulating' -- I'd hate to see an alternative where EU directives contain explicit technical implementation guidance!

Let's legislate that all cars must attain 150 mpg and cost less than $10,000. The EU proposals are approaching that kind of absurdity.

Let's just use the standard HN response here: your business model is not my problem. If you can't make that car, maybe cars shouldn't be permitted to exist.

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by icebraining »

dorgo wrote: post #121
ahje wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Or, simply don't use cookies for purposes other than providing the service This, or as a minimum: Don't track people who has the DNT header set.

You mean the DNT header which is set by default in browsers? Then we can simplify your proposal to: "Don't track people"

The only browser that set it by default was IE, and Microsoft ended that with Windows 10.

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by dorgo »

sonnyblarney wrote: post #36

It would be prudent for Wikipedia at this time to shut down service in the EU, and simply put up a banner indicating that they can't comply with XYZ regulation. Regular folks in all walks of life, and also the bureaucracy would immediately be effected. It would be a 'shock' to Europe and a powerful signal of how vital these resources are, and the real extent they are messing with them. Basically, everyone would becom…

Afaik wikipedia has no copyright or something. So somebody would create a read-only copy (less than 100GB, I guess), call it wikipedia2.com and everyone would use the copy..

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by Superleroy »

q12we34rt5 wrote: post #105
Superleroy wrote: post #93

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I almost had to laugh after the US just recently abolished Net Neutrality. And what is the grind with cookie notices and GDPR? I very much like to know what companies can do with my data, what data they have and demand deletion of it. This is not against companies, it's for people. Companies should have had these information in the first place, now they just need to display it to the user but I guess thats too much t…

>I almost had to laugh after the US just recently abolished Net Neutrality Your laughter is misplaced. America didn't have net neutrality up until fairly recently and before it was enacted, the internet worked just fine. It'll work just fine now. And if it really matters that much to you that you feel some kind of emotional release from your own worries, just know that many states are already putting laws on the book…

Well last I heard ISPs were not providing top service to say the least. So unless "working just fine" means "it's really shitty but hey we have internet", I would say that no, the internet is not "working just fine" at least from that perspective. I don't know why you think removing net neutrality laws was a good idea but maybe you can elaborate.

Laughing truly makes me feel better and distracts me from my worries, I don't know why you have to be condescending about it. I did not say that I think filtering is a good idea, the contrary is true. I just think saying that the EU pass regressive internet laws, while the US is the beacon of freedom and choice is laughable.

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by icebraining »

czardoz wrote: post #78
fyfy18 wrote: post #53

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By freedom, I assume you are a big supporter of the "Restoring Internet Freedom Order" and can't wait until you can choose to add the YouTube or Netflix packages to your internet connection for $20/mo each.

Absolutely. No one is entitled to free content, what's wrong with paying for Netflix/YouTube?

Netflix is already paid.. fyfy18 is talking about paying your ISP for the privilege of accessing Netflix.
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