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Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by qwerty456127 »

anonytrary wrote: post #27
sjroot wrote: post #3

Policies like this make it glaringly obvious how little our government representatives around the world understand technology. It almost seems malicious, or at the very least anticompetitive. Who has access to such filtering systems already, or the resources to create one? GRPR regulations, while I absolutely realize their necessity, have made it difficult for me to expand my side business into the EU. This would jus…

Isn't the unspoken rule to just ignore GDPR until you're big enough and EU starts bitching at you, at which point you just pay them off and spend some resources on compliance?

How is GDPR a problem at all? Is it so hard to avoid personalized tracking of unregistered users, ask users for their consent at sign-up time and implement a button for them to export and delete their data?

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

berkmayer wrote: post #28

People underestimate what a big pain in the ass internet has been for the EU bureaucrats in the last 5 years. They can't just remove users freedom in one hit, they need to do it slowly: cookie laws, gdpr, copyright. And of course they always put a little bit of "sense" in every rule. This is a classic tactic that has been used by State organizations for maybe thousands of years. You can find examples in ancient Rome,…

How do cookie laws remove user freedom?

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by ryandrake »

berkmayer wrote: post #28

People underestimate what a big pain in the ass internet has been for the EU bureaucrats in the last 5 years. They can't just remove users freedom in one hit, they need to do it slowly: cookie laws, gdpr, copyright. And of course they always put a little bit of "sense" in every rule. This is a classic tactic that has been used by State organizations for maybe thousands of years. You can find examples in ancient Rome,…

How does GDPR remove user freedom?

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by iso1337 »

baxter001 wrote: post #2

As with most interesting problems, this legislation hasn't been written with a focus on what sort of end-results are easiest to arrive at a technical solution for. This article characterises that as 'magic wand regulating' -- I'd hate to see an alternative where EU directives contain explicit technical implementation guidance!

Let's legislate that all cars must attain 150 mpg and cost less than $10,000. The EU proposals are approaching that kind of absurdity.

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by sonnyblarney »

It would be prudent for Wikipedia at this time to shut down service in the EU, and simply put up a banner indicating that they can't comply with XYZ regulation.

Regular folks in all walks of life, and also the bureaucracy would immediately be effected. It would be a 'shock' to Europe and a powerful signal of how vital these resources are, and the real extent they are messing with them.

Basically, everyone would become aware of the issue, in a very material way, and get a taste for he chaos this law might imply.

Kind of like internet 'gilet jaune' as a crude metaphor.

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by jcranmer »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #31
anonytrary wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't the unspoken rule to just ignore GDPR until you're big enough and EU starts bitching at you, at which point you just pay them off and spend some resources on compliance?

How is GDPR a problem at all? Is it so hard to avoid personalized tracking of unregistered users, ask users for their consent at sign-up time and implement a button for them to export and delete their data?

The problem with GDPR is that the actual scope of it applies to is rather unclear, and the regulatory guidance hasn't been reassuring as to what the actual extent will be in practice.

For example, do email addresses on the comments on a blog site fall under that protection? If so, there are some agencies in charge of enforcing GDPR that are violating GDPR on their sites...

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by atomicUpdate »

gnarbarian wrote: post #6

You guys might be interested in my startup. We are going to provide a copyright content registration service as well as a vetting service for 3rd parties to upload user posts which are then scanned against the registered content.

Are you going to assume all of the liability when you get it wrong as well?

What I don't understand yet is why any of the content holds would help you by providing lots of useful metadata. It seems much more lucrative for them to find your violations and sue for more than they could have gotten from subscriptions and/or ads. Plus, if the site goes out of business fighting/paying, that's one less competitor for their own streaming service.

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by beginningguava »

berkmayer wrote: post #28

People underestimate what a big pain in the ass internet has been for the EU bureaucrats in the last 5 years. They can't just remove users freedom in one hit, they need to do it slowly: cookie laws, gdpr, copyright. And of course they always put a little bit of "sense" in every rule. This is a classic tactic that has been used by State organizations for maybe thousands of years. You can find examples in ancient Rome,…

Germany just requested that France give up their UN security council seat so that the EU could have it

Remember when the EU was just supposed to be a trade union rather than an organization that can pass laws that effect every person in Europe?

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/11/28/world/germany-u...

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