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Re: Nextcloud introduces social features, joins the fediverse

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I use Nextcloud and it is an integral part of my life, but your current set up does not allow me to pay you, as it focuses only on enterprise use case. If I may make a suggestion, could you make a page for donation, and then you can have a "put your donation to Nextcloud to the following uses: - New features - Stablilty - Android Client development" I think you get the idea. I would very happily donate if I was given…

I like your 'vote with your wallet' idea for open source. Want to get that issue to the top of the ticket queue? Pay up! It makes perfect sense.

I want to say Ubuntu does that?

Its a larger frustration with a lot of open source projects though. I'd love to throw some money to say thanks, but its either really hard or convoluted. The easiest way I have found so far is with android ones, I just buy the paid versions on there.

Re: Nextcloud introduces social features, joins the fediverse

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I really like the upspin approach for federated self-hosting of userdata (for lack of a better term) in that it builds a platform for it that apps like nextcloud and others would build on top of.

I'm not saying its the right solution, but I think trying to get the layers right to make self-hosting a wider and more reliable reality is only going to happen by building the right opensource platforms/components first.

Re: Nextcloud introduces social features, joins the fediverse

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Am I the only one that hates that the “fediverse” is not on the web? We didn’t need a separate protocol/app and closed servers to do what are actually just blog posts and replies.

it is on the web, every instance can tweak their page to be publicly visible or not

Re: Nextcloud introduces social features, joins the fediverse

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post #69

Am I the only one that hates that the “fediverse” is not on the web? We didn’t need a separate protocol/app and closed servers to do what are actually just blog posts and replies.

What do you mean by "not on the web"? It is accessible on the web. Everybody with a web browser can see public posts and replies. For writing new posts, you need an account though. Here is the public account of Mastodon's founder: https://mastodon.social/@Gargron

It’s on the web like Facebook is on the web.

I can’t post or reply by creating a web page, and identity is not email or dns, but specific to whatever mastadon instance I register with.

I already have a domain, blog, and email. Posts, replies, likes, etc. But mastadon doesn’t work with the web, or my existing web identity - instead it’s entirely based on federated ActivityPub servers plus various extensions.

Re: Nextcloud introduces social features, joins the fediverse

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Instances that don't police this get silenced or defederated. Much of the fediverse is made up of small invite-only instances that share information on bad actors like this. The bigger ones have mod teams and are generally run by people who don't equivocate on keeping bad actors to protect ad revenue. edit: This is, at a minimum, a good experiment to see if these kinds of propaganda are inherent to social media or on…

That's a start, but my concern is that the volunteer militia will get swamped and burnt out when the real attacks come. Right now Mastodon and other ActivityPub platforms are too small for a Cambridge Analytica / Russian FSB or other similar caliber actors to bother with. Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, etc. are where most of the users are so that's where most of the effort will go. If these platforms ever "tip" into m…

> Federated and decentralized platforms are very vulnerable in ways that silos are not, and this has to be thought about.

It's funny because current FLOSS decentralized platforms are so horrendously designed, hopelessly unscalable, and obviously unmaintainable that the silos like Facebook and Twitter should be decades ahead in their ability to eradicate nation-state trolls and sock puppets.

Yet look at the recent NY Times article on Facebook-- their Republican lobbyist said they couldn't publicly release the results of their 2016 election investigation because his own mother had friended one of the Russian trolls revealed by their chief security officer. And we only know any of this because of leaks.

And that's apparently after their security officer ignored the board and legal's advice to stop investigating!

So right now you've got two choices:

1. silos with a business model that prevents effective defense of users from the attacks you describe.

2. poorly designed/conceived decentralized FLOSS thingies that will probably fail in ways similar to Debian's openssl RNG/valgrind debacle.

Debian eventually fixed that bug. How do you predict Twitter/Facebook will fix their business models?

Re: Nextcloud introduces social features, joins the fediverse

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As an admin of a 500 user instance I'm having mixed feelings about Nextcloud. Sure it's GPL and free and it got a lot better than the old owncloud mess that broke always but it's still somewhat a gamble. My install is just a no-warranty, non-commercial use case and I wouldn't use it for any large commercial installation without having at least one dedicated and skilled PHP-dev on-site. I came to resent their marketin…

Let's be honest, if we did a release with only stabilization, it might get us more users. Not more customers. And it is customers who pay for the development. Everyone asks us to focus "on the basics" and then claim their pet feature requests are, of course, basics. ACL's and user mgmt in your case, perfectly fine features, but features nonetheless. In the end, our development is guided by the community and customers…

Thanks for your work on Nextcloud! I really appreciate what it does. Also thanks for taking the time to answer my rant ;)

On a positive note: Just upgraded to Nextcloud 15 without any issues in a few minutes. I feel it's getting better with every release. You put in a lot of work and I recently logged into an Owncloud 8 install and it's a night and day difference.

I'm also aware that you owe me nothing. I'm fine with that. It's a discussion forum here and I just wanted to write down my experience. I'm sure you'd rather see solid pull requests instead of unwanted advice. Mea culpa.

Re: Nextcloud introduces social features, joins the fediverse

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post #83

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My knowledge is a year or two out of date, but I think “it’s all just webdav” is part of the problem, and they sort of painted themselves into a corner by using it as a protocol. They ended up with a bunch of extra API hacks on top of WebDAV for things like multiparty uploads, and things still go wonky if you try to connect a random WebDAV client to it. I built an ownCloud file storage replacement that worked with th…

The synchronization is a nightmare. The C++ client is hard to figure out, and even harder to maintain as a customized solution. Worse, they don't get the usual benefit of C++ clients being lean and resource-friendly because they now ship with an embedded QT Webbrowser.

You should try the ownCloud client instead. It works just fine with Nextcloud as server and has less bloat than the Nextcloud-branded client.

https://github.com/owncloud/client/releases/tag/v2.5.1

Disclaimer: I'm one of the developers of the the ownCloud desktop client.

Re: Nextcloud introduces social features, joins the fediverse

#108
post #106

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Let's be honest, if we did a release with only stabilization, it might get us more users. Not more customers. And it is customers who pay for the development. Everyone asks us to focus "on the basics" and then claim their pet feature requests are, of course, basics. ACL's and user mgmt in your case, perfectly fine features, but features nonetheless. In the end, our development is guided by the community and customers…

Thanks for your work on Nextcloud! I really appreciate what it does. Also thanks for taking the time to answer my rant ;) On a positive note: Just upgraded to Nextcloud 15 without any issues in a few minutes. I feel it's getting better with every release. You put in a lot of work and I recently logged into an Owncloud 8 install and it's a night and day difference. I'm also aware that you owe me nothing. I'm fine with…

It would be more fair to compare the LATEST Nextcloud with the LATEST ownCloud. Both projects are going strong! Nextcloud is more community-focused, ownCloud is more enterprisey.

Re: Nextcloud introduces social features, joins the fediverse

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post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's be honest, if we did a release with only stabilization, it might get us more users. Not more customers. And it is customers who pay for the development. Everyone asks us to focus "on the basics" and then claim their pet feature requests are, of course, basics. ACL's and user mgmt in your case, perfectly fine features, but features nonetheless. In the end, our development is guided by the community and customers…

Thanks for your work on Nextcloud! I really appreciate what it does. Also thanks for taking the time to answer my rant ;) On a positive note: Just upgraded to Nextcloud 15 without any issues in a few minutes. I feel it's getting better with every release. You put in a lot of work and I recently logged into an Owncloud 8 install and it's a night and day difference. I'm also aware that you owe me nothing. I'm fine with…

>logged into an Owncloud 8 install

welcome back to the February 2015 :)

Re: Nextcloud introduces social features, joins the fediverse

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post #30

As an admin of a 500 user instance I'm having mixed feelings about Nextcloud. Sure it's GPL and free and it got a lot better than the old owncloud mess that broke always but it's still somewhat a gamble. My install is just a no-warranty, non-commercial use case and I wouldn't use it for any large commercial installation without having at least one dedicated and skilled PHP-dev on-site. I came to resent their marketin…

Don't use the old ownCloud mess, use the new one. I'm currently running ownCloud 10 and it works great. The stability and architecture of the project have really improved in the last years.

It seems to be scalable too, when you look at the big organizations running ownCloud. All the know-how and feedback of the big instances is flowing into ownCloud, not nextcloud. Speaks for alpha-quality.

I have not tried the migration from nextcloud to ownCloud yet, but it should not be too hard.

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