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Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by umichguy »

boznz wrote: post #43
qwerty456127 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is GDPR a problem at all? Is it so hard to avoid personalized tracking of unregistered users, ask users for their consent at sign-up time and implement a button for them to export and delete their data?

The irony is most sites use cookies to click on the "this site uses cookies" and as I block them I get the same message ad-infinitum on every fucking site... and I'm in NZ NOT the EU

Kia ora! The "issue" here is that most sites which want to cater to worldwide audiences pretty much try to comply with influential legislation to stay on the good side. And GDPR/EU regs wield a big enough stick and come from a large enough region that you can't ignore them unless you want to block your site out completely to traffic coming from the EU. So they try and just do a worldwide rollout, irrespective of where you live. Of course, you can always implement this selectively but maybe more tricky to small and medium businesses, so they play and safe. Probably. I am speculating here.

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by umichguy »

HumanDrivenDev wrote: post #20

Thankfully you can fly to Zurich without stepping foot in the EU. And soon - London.

You will find that the Swiss comply with most EU laws, including GDPR in most instances. And so is/has/will the UK. You really can't sit next to one of the largest trading blocs in the world and ignore it, unless you don't intend to do deal with them/ conduct business with them in any shape or form. Good luck in your quest to find, freedom or whatever else you're trying to find.

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by fyfy18 »

czardoz wrote: post #41

With the Great Firewall in China and Regressive laws in the EU, the US feels like the only place where users have the freedom to choose what their internet should be. Unfortunately, they have to deal with clicking on cookie notices, GDPR and now this.

By freedom, I assume you are a big supporter of the "Restoring Internet Freedom Order" and can't wait until you can choose to add the YouTube or Netflix packages to your internet connection for $20/mo each.

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by fyfy18 »

mooman219 wrote: post #12
madhadron wrote: post #8

Another possibility: the EU is serious and wants the content farm to show ads business model to die.

What's you definition of a content farm? This bill essentially targets online online medium you can upload and share content on. This should be reworded to the EU is serious and wants to go back to Web 1.0

Maybe that's not a bad thing. Most of the policies that have emerged from the EU and US recently would mostly affect the users of large platforms like YouTube and Facebook. If content creators were to host content on a website they own, they would have complete control (well mostly, the web host would be responsible too, but that worked pretty well before) over their content and what they can and can't share.

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by greggyb »

fyfy18 wrote: post #53
czardoz wrote: post #41

With the Great Firewall in China and Regressive laws in the EU, the US feels like the only place where users have the freedom to choose what their internet should be. Unfortunately, they have to deal with clicking on cookie notices, GDPR and now this.

By freedom, I assume you are a big supporter of the "Restoring Internet Freedom Order" and can't wait until you can choose to add the YouTube or Netflix packages to your internet connection for $20/mo each.

The sort of freedom referred to has nothing to do with a zero-price. It has to do with the ability of two consenting adults (or we can say "willing parties" if you want) to enter into a transaction to exchange goods or services, or proxies (like dollars).

The opposite of such a freedom is not that one party chooses to charge for some of its services, but that one party is prevented from offering such a service.

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by StudentStuff »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #46
Zak wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Upload filters like ones on youtube are super biased towards taking down anything that looks like copyrighted content Youtube's filter removed the audio track from a video of mine that was essentially silent to start with. There was certainly no music, TV, movie, etc... in the background.

That is outright ridiculous. There should be a level of human intervention to determine okay this cant be a damn copyright issue this AI is coocoo.

Letting black box "AI" that is often incorrect run wild is way less expensive than having a human intervene to review flagged videos. Hence the rise of machine learning algorithms that can do all kinds of neat things, but fail hard on the plethora of edge cases that exist.

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by gmueckl »

iso1337 wrote: post #35
baxter001 wrote: post #2

As with most interesting problems, this legislation hasn't been written with a focus on what sort of end-results are easiest to arrive at a technical solution for. This article characterises that as 'magic wand regulating' -- I'd hate to see an alternative where EU directives contain explicit technical implementation guidance!

Let's legislate that all cars must attain 150 mpg and cost less than $10,000. The EU proposals are approaching that kind of absurdity.

The Renault Twizy falls into that category. You need to find a better absurd example in the future ;).

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by WA »

boznz wrote: post #43
qwerty456127 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is GDPR a problem at all? Is it so hard to avoid personalized tracking of unregistered users, ask users for their consent at sign-up time and implement a button for them to export and delete their data?

The irony is most sites use cookies to click on the "this site uses cookies" and as I block them I get the same message ad-infinitum on every fucking site... and I'm in NZ NOT the EU

Blame the web devs and their bad implementation of it. It’s really not that hard to get right (unless of course you don’t really want to comply).

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by im3w1l »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #31
anonytrary wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't the unspoken rule to just ignore GDPR until you're big enough and EU starts bitching at you, at which point you just pay them off and spend some resources on compliance?

How is GDPR a problem at all? Is it so hard to avoid personalized tracking of unregistered users, ask users for their consent at sign-up time and implement a button for them to export and delete their data?

> How is GDPR a problem at all?

I'm sure there will be a significant price tag just for training people to be compliant with it.

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Post by watwut »

berkmayer wrote: post #28

People underestimate what a big pain in the ass internet has been for the EU bureaucrats in the last 5 years. They can't just remove users freedom in one hit, they need to do it slowly: cookie laws, gdpr, copyright. And of course they always put a little bit of "sense" in every rule. This is a classic tactic that has been used by State organizations for maybe thousands of years. You can find examples in ancient Rome,…

Please remind us on democratic freedoms of Russia slowly eroded. Or on slow progress of Nazism in face of majority pro-democratic populace. Neither happened.
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