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EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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With the Great Firewall in China and Regressive laws in the EU, the US feels like the only place where users have the freedom to choose what their internet should be. Unfortunately, they have to deal with clicking on cookie notices, GDPR and now this.

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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How is GDPR a problem at all? Is it so hard to avoid personalized tracking of unregistered users, ask users for their consent at sign-up time and implement a button for them to export and delete their data?

The problem with GDPR is that the actual scope of it applies to is rather unclear, and the regulatory guidance hasn't been reassuring as to what the actual extent will be in practice. For example, do email addresses on the comments on a blog site fall under that protection? If so, there are some agencies in charge of enforcing GDPR that are violating GDPR on their sites...

> For example, do email addresses on the comments on a blog site fall under that protection?

That is not unclear at all. They absolutely do.

That doesn't mean you can't have them, but it means you need consent, you need to be clear about how you will use them and you need to let people withdraw consent.

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Isn't the unspoken rule to just ignore GDPR until you're big enough and EU starts bitching at you, at which point you just pay them off and spend some resources on compliance?

How is GDPR a problem at all? Is it so hard to avoid personalized tracking of unregistered users, ask users for their consent at sign-up time and implement a button for them to export and delete their data?

The irony is most sites use cookies to click on the "this site uses cookies" and as I block them I get the same message ad-infinitum on every fucking site... and I'm in NZ NOT the EU

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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It would be prudent for Wikipedia at this time to shut down service in the EU, and simply put up a banner indicating that they can't comply with XYZ regulation. Regular folks in all walks of life, and also the bureaucracy would immediately be effected. It would be a 'shock' to Europe and a powerful signal of how vital these resources are, and the real extent they are messing with them. Basically, everyone would becom…

If someone adds a wordpress plug-in for this I will install it tomorrow for a laugh :-)

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Policies like this make it glaringly obvious how little our government representatives around the world understand technology. It almost seems malicious, or at the very least anticompetitive. Who has access to such filtering systems already, or the resources to create one? GRPR regulations, while I absolutely realize their necessity, have made it difficult for me to expand my side business into the EU. This would jus…

The greatest irony is EU regulators whining about the dominance of Google, Facebook, etc, while passing regulations like this which make it impossible for anyone to compete with their ilk. Google and Facebook will have no trouble building the automated filters that are mandated by this legislation. The impact of this will be felt entirely by smaller companies with either will shut down, or, more likely, will never be…

And companies will neglect the EU market altogether. The great legal firewall of the EU. We can pass laws to make things better without any technical competence! Lets go after cryptography next!

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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I think they do understand exactly what is going on but they know that upload filters are faulty almost always in favor of people with money. Upload filters like ones on youtube are super biased towards taking down anything that looks like copyrighted content but they also take out a load of legitimate content. Its now up to the content owner to prove that their content was fair use or that its not even the same thin…

> Upload filters like ones on youtube are super biased towards taking down anything that looks like copyrighted content Youtube's filter removed the audio track from a video of mine that was essentially silent to start with. There was certainly no music, TV, movie, etc... in the background.

That is outright ridiculous. There should be a level of human intervention to determine okay this cant be a damn copyright issue this AI is coocoo.

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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post #41

With the Great Firewall in China and Regressive laws in the EU, the US feels like the only place where users have the freedom to choose what their internet should be. Unfortunately, they have to deal with clicking on cookie notices, GDPR and now this.

So how are the click troughs on the amp stories doing in the land of the free?

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

#49

Another possibility: the EU is serious and wants the content farm to show ads business model to die.

Ads have nothing to do with this. It's not aimed at business models that show ads, it's aimed at business models that host user content. The whole point is to put content exclusivity back in the hands of traditional publishers.

And how do "business models that host user content" generally generate revenue?

Re: EU Copyright: Block Everything, Never Make Mistakes, but Don't Use Upload Filter

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The greatest irony is EU regulators whining about the dominance of Google, Facebook, etc, while passing regulations like this which make it impossible for anyone to compete with their ilk. Google and Facebook will have no trouble building the automated filters that are mandated by this legislation. The impact of this will be felt entirely by smaller companies with either will shut down, or, more likely, will never be…

And companies will neglect the EU market altogether. The great legal firewall of the EU. We can pass laws to make things better without any technical competence! Lets go after cryptography next!

Australia is already on the case, re: cryptography: https://protonmail.com/blog/australia-anti-encryption-law/
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