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Re: Nextcloud introduces social features, joins the fediverse

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Post by TeMPOraL »

berkes wrote: post #42
api wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a start, but my concern is that the volunteer militia will get swamped and burnt out when the real attacks come. Right now Mastodon and other ActivityPub platforms are too small for a Cambridge Analytica / Russian FSB or other similar caliber actors to bother with. Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, etc. are where most of the users are so that's where most of the effort will go. If these platforms ever "tip" into m…

I find that argument silly. I have found this silly WRT "there are no viruses for Linux because no-one uses Linux" too. If it is small, the attack is going to be much cheaper too. You don't need 24/7 active armies of trolls, you need one, maybe two parttimers to attack a small mastodon service. My argument is that at all moments the attackers will weight benefits and costs. Currently, apparently, the costs to infiltr…

> My argument is that at all moments the attackers will weight benefits and costs. Currently, apparently, the costs to infiltrate, spread fake-news, or troll is too high.

This is essentially restating the argument you find silly :). Linux didn't have viruses, and Mastodon doesn't (yet) have paid troll armies, because in both cases, why go to all the effort there, when the same effort on the popular platforms can yield you orders of magnitude more gain?

Re: Nextcloud introduces social features, joins the fediverse

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Post by bayesian_horse »

mnutt wrote: post #83
nisa wrote: post #30

As an admin of a 500 user instance I'm having mixed feelings about Nextcloud. Sure it's GPL and free and it got a lot better than the old owncloud mess that broke always but it's still somewhat a gamble. My install is just a no-warranty, non-commercial use case and I wouldn't use it for any large commercial installation without having at least one dedicated and skilled PHP-dev on-site. I came to resent their marketin…

My knowledge is a year or two out of date, but I think “it’s all just webdav” is part of the problem, and they sort of painted themselves into a corner by using it as a protocol. They ended up with a bunch of extra API hacks on top of WebDAV for things like multiparty uploads, and things still go wonky if you try to connect a random WebDAV client to it. I built an ownCloud file storage replacement that worked with th…

The synchronization is a nightmare. The C++ client is hard to figure out, and even harder to maintain as a customized solution.

Worse, they don't get the usual benefit of C++ clients being lean and resource-friendly because they now ship with an embedded QT Webbrowser.

Re: Nextcloud introduces social features, joins the fediverse

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Post by bayesian_horse »

ohthehugemanate wrote: post #53
creshal wrote: post #4

How about a working, documented plugin API? Or sync clients that work ? Instead of taping more random crap onto a base product that only barely works?

I'm interested to know what problems you've had with the sync clients. In my household we use it on a mix of windows, Linux, Android, and iOS devices and it's extremely smooth.

One nice little problem is that in my installation we have a couple of zombie files. Whenever we try to delete them, some users' clients doesn't want to delete it and reuploads it. Short of resetting and redownloading these clients' sync state, nothing else has worked to resolve this issue.

Re: Nextcloud introduces social features, joins the fediverse

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Post by bayesian_horse »

bjt2n3904 wrote: post #23

End user of NC here, have it setup on a little Digital Ocean droplet. I switched from OwnCloud shortly after the fork, and sync contacts/calendar/notes between my desktop and android. Pleasantly surprised with how well things work. My favorite thing to do is upload a short video from my phone, and send my family the share link. Much better than uploading to YouTube / Facebook. I also do photography, and love how easy…

My impression is that the less users there are on an NC instance, and the less complicated the use case, the less trouble you run into.

Re: Nextcloud introduces social features, joins the fediverse

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Post by privong »

jospoortvliet wrote: post #72
privong wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Most of those features are optional. So if you don't care about some functionality just uninstall the specific 'App'. That's true, but unless there are new developers joining to create/support these apps the addition of these new features may spread the developers too thin. Personally I'd rather have a robust set of smaller features than a buggy implementation of a lot of features. The latter is okay if it's just a…

That is like saying ice cream makers should focus on the 'core' tastes, claiming that that is banana and vanilla because you like those. For you calendar and contacts are core for a file sync and share software? Above somebody also asked us to focus on 'core', meaning adding ACL's and probably dropping the calendar/contacts. So it's like the fable where god decides to ask people what weather they want and everyone wa…

> That is like saying ice cream makers should focus on the 'core' tastes, claiming that that is banana and vanilla because you like those.

From my point of view, I'm suggesting the ice cream makers should stop trying to make paninis to go with the ice cream and instead focus on making sure the ice cream cones don't have holes in the bottom.

I nearly lost all my files because server-side encryption went wonky. That's core functionality that should, imho, be fixed before going off into ActivityPub.

More generally, I have trouble being enthusiastic about "We added activitypub" focus because of what it seemed to do to MediaGoblin. That project seemed to be chugging along and making steady progress until it seemed they focused a lot of their energy into ActivityPub. Since then, MediaGoblin hasn't really had any of its functionality updated, as far as I can tell. They certainly don't seem to have released a new version in over 2 years.

Re: Nextcloud introduces social features, joins the fediverse

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Post by bfdm »

bjt2n3904 wrote: post #23

End user of NC here, have it setup on a little Digital Ocean droplet. I switched from OwnCloud shortly after the fork, and sync contacts/calendar/notes between my desktop and android. Pleasantly surprised with how well things work. My favorite thing to do is upload a short video from my phone, and send my family the share link. Much better than uploading to YouTube / Facebook. I also do photography, and love how easy…

Did you follow a guide to set this up?

I'm not an expert in cloud envs, but I have set up a run machines in GCP and consider myself capable. I had a really hard time finding a guide for setting up NC in a GCP VM and following the instructions. When I ultimately wound my way through them to the point of testing something, I hit a brick wall regarding some kind of auth, if I recall.

Re: Nextcloud introduces social features, joins the fediverse

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Post by mirkules »

jospoortvliet wrote: post #66
mirkules wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On iOS it takes forever . Days. The upload rate is slow as hell.

All depends on your server and settings and network of course... But the mobile clients could probably do more uploads in parallel, like the desktop client does. Just keep in mind it uploads the original files, not, like eg whatsapp, downsized, compressed one that is 1/10th the size...

Not sure why you’re downvoted - those are legitimate questions.

I’m on a local network over WiFi. The “server” is a RPi3+ with an extrernal USB 3 drive. Granted, I don’t expect it to be blazing-fast, but not 3-5 pictures-per-hour slow either.

Something is fundamentally broken on the iOS app especially since both the Windows and OSX clients are much faster (same network).

Re: Nextcloud introduces social features, joins the fediverse

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Post by amaccuish »

nisa wrote: post #30

As an admin of a 500 user instance I'm having mixed feelings about Nextcloud. Sure it's GPL and free and it got a lot better than the old owncloud mess that broke always but it's still somewhat a gamble. My install is just a no-warranty, non-commercial use case and I wouldn't use it for any large commercial installation without having at least one dedicated and skilled PHP-dev on-site. I came to resent their marketin…

Spot on. As an admin the saml situation was a nightmare: it took so long for them to update the saml library, so for a time it wasn't even compatible with their docker images because the library version they were using required mbstring, while many moons ago an updated version of the lib was released upstream without the need for mbstring. I still can't get ss-logout to work either.

We use SOGo as well, and at some point I will get around to integrating SAML into sogo, so at least when users click on the "external sites app" icon for SOGo, they'll be signed in automatically. Either that or add support to use external contacts and calendar dav servers.

I feel like in general there will come a point where PHP's execute and die model won't do. I really wish they'd implement some sort of backend daemon to carry out long running tasks.

Re: Nextcloud introduces social features, joins the fediverse

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Post by the_common_man »

nisa wrote: post #30

As an admin of a 500 user instance I'm having mixed feelings about Nextcloud. Sure it's GPL and free and it got a lot better than the old owncloud mess that broke always but it's still somewhat a gamble. My install is just a no-warranty, non-commercial use case and I wouldn't use it for any large commercial installation without having at least one dedicated and skilled PHP-dev on-site. I came to resent their marketin…

Similar situation with LDAP as well. The first login of a new user results in a crash. They haven't fixed this issue in 3 months.

Re: Nextcloud introduces social features, joins the fediverse

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Post by Forbo »

SJk7TAy wrote: post #29
creshal wrote: post #4

How about a working, documented plugin API? Or sync clients that work ? Instead of taping more random crap onto a base product that only barely works?

Call support and claim your refund. (But I'd guess you haven't paid them a penny and use what they have developed for free.)

Can you show me where I can purchase a support plan for a single user? All their offerings start at 50 users from what I can tell.
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