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Nextcloud introduces social features, joins the fediverse
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#32These extra features and thus the complexity are the opposite of what I'd like in a self-hosted file share system. Why does everything have to be bloated into oblivion like this. We need more purpose built software... What i like? OpenBSD for firewalls, and public facing terminal servers. Just lovely. /rant.
In the other hand, as a home user I like to be able to install only one base system (Nextcloud) and use it for all of my online life. This will free me up from setting up yet another system (Mastodon etc) only to host my social networking needs.
And this is implemented as a separate app, so you can dismiss it if you don't need it.
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
Instances that don't police this get silenced or defederated. Much of the fediverse is made up of small invite-only instances that share information on bad actors like this. The bigger ones have mod teams and are generally run by people who don't equivocate on keeping bad actors to protect ad revenue. edit: This is, at a minimum, a good experiment to see if these kinds of propaganda are inherent to social media or on…
That's a start, but my concern is that the volunteer militia will get swamped and burnt out when the real attacks come. Right now Mastodon and other ActivityPub platforms are too small for a Cambridge Analytica / Russian FSB or other similar caliber actors to bother with. Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, etc. are where most of the users are so that's where most of the effort will go. If these platforms ever "tip" into m…
I'm on masto regularly and the community is much more pleasant there (than say Twitter). A lot of users attribute that pleasantness to decentralization. I call BS. It's because it's a tiny self-selected group that wants the opposite of what Twitter provides.
You're absolutely right: once this tips, and people join because that's what you have to join to talk to people and not because they're looking for a real change, then it'll be unbearable.
The best thing that can happen to fediverse is that it will continue to grow incrementally, so that at each step they can see the missing moderation tools and build them before it all blows up.
Personally I think we'll look back on these massively open networks where everybody can reply to everybody as an anomaly.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
edit: I thought they were talking about ActivityPub since the issues look similar to ones people raise about it. Whoops. - I am of two minds here: 1. Minimal specification worked for HTTP. 2. Most problems with HTTP come from it being minimally specified. ActivityPub is exploding the way HTTP did. At worst, it's as imperfect as HTTP. At best, it's a way to get people used to federation for whatever comes next and imp…
I think parent talk about nextcloud and their plugin documentation being pore and their slow sync client. I agree with him, they put a lot of energy on non crucial features when a lot of their core features could be improved.
That sounds eerily similar to Plex and their focus these days.
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
This. Their sync on android sucks big time. I go to my gallery, select 20 pictures and send them to Nextcloud, only to find only 5 of them have been actually uploaded. It happens every.single.time. Gonna switch to Seafile really soon.
A possible cause is that not all file systems support the same character sets in paths, so syncing can fail due to invalid names. In this syncthing issue, someone mentions that e.g. Hangouts inserts colons in image names: https://github.com/syncthing/syncthing/issues/1734#issuecomm... Maybe Seafile somehow found a good solution that doesn't cause breakage in other places. Any specific reason you want to switch to the…
> Any specific reason you want to switch to them?
OP just told you the problem
Re: Nextcloud introduces social features, joins the fediverse
#36End user of NC here, have it setup on a little Digital Ocean droplet. I switched from OwnCloud shortly after the fork, and sync contacts/calendar/notes between my desktop and android. Pleasantly surprised with how well things work. My favorite thing to do is upload a short video from my phone, and send my family the share link. Much better than uploading to YouTube / Facebook. I also do photography, and love how easy…
Similar situation here. I'm wondering if this might be enough to stop me from trying my own Mastodon instance. Might be nice to not have to support even more platforms.
Re: Nextcloud introduces social features, joins the fediverse
#37End user of NC here, have it setup on a little Digital Ocean droplet. I switched from OwnCloud shortly after the fork, and sync contacts/calendar/notes between my desktop and android. Pleasantly surprised with how well things work. My favorite thing to do is upload a short video from my phone, and send my family the share link. Much better than uploading to YouTube / Facebook. I also do photography, and love how easy…
Are you using Joplin for notes sync?
I like Nextcloud, but I have to admit that I quickly get lost when I explore addons/integrations.
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can't confirm this experience. I have auto-upload enabled, and I've never had any issues with my pictures not syncing. Did you check the upload status on your phone during this time? Pictures can get very heavy, and it might just need more WiFi time to upload 20 of them.
I also have auto-upload enabled, and syncing works perfectly whether I am on the same network or an outside network. Perhaps the grandparent commentor is using an older version of the android client or server?
I do see some issues with really large files. Files over 50Mb. My server has limits imposed and the resulting error is not communicated back to me on the app. The app merely states "Failed to upload". For me, this is the only issue I ever get, but without knowing the cause it does feel very "random".
In my case, I managed to track it down and, by knowing what causes the sync issue, I can avoid it, or ignore it. Could be that grandparent has this issue too bu her/his server is set to much lower limits even?
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#39Ugh I just wanted a working file manager
Agreed. All this added complexity only serves to increase the attack surface of something I really want to keep safe and secure.
+1 on this. My whole reason for using NC has been to remove anything like social features, and let me control sharing.
Maybe all this will be optional, but the direction seems opposite to my needs. And the risks from 'extending' the network too.
Re: Nextcloud introduces social features, joins the fediverse
#40How about a working, documented plugin API? Or sync clients that work ? Instead of taping more random crap onto a base product that only barely works?
Just out of curiosity, what do you think of https://qbix.com/platform?
It is more of a toolbox for building NextCloud or anything else. But all the components have been tested on all platforms and work (and are secure). It has a working, fully documented plugin API.