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Why Aren’t Rich People Happy With the Money They Have?

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Re: Why Aren’t Rich People Happy With the Money They Have?

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I appreciate your comment. I know that having more than $100K in the bank would be a better safety net. Hell, having $5K would feel fantastic right about now. My point is merely that many people feel happy and comfortable with so much less than $10M, and it's absurd to believe otherwise. Most interlocutors here seem to have latched on to my pretty arbitrary figure of $100K and forgotten or ignored that original point…

$10M is a pretty standard “set for life” goal based on a 3% annualized rate of return. It’s obscenely difficult to get there, but an entirely reasonable and well-defined goal for people who are willing to compete (and, with high likelihood, fail) in the market to get there. It’s up to you to decide if you’d like to pursue that path. There are plenty of paths to stability without setting that goal; you’ll just find yo…

So the standard point of view is that you can't stop worrying about money until you have passive income of roughly USD $300,000 per year? Why would you need five times the average annual gross household income to be comfortable? That sound like the symptom of a serious problem.

Why not take your current annual spend, multiply it by 1.2 for a nice cushion, and then figure out what you need at 3% to gain that annual return? This should come out to be roughly an order of magnitude less than $10M.

Re: Why Aren’t Rich People Happy With the Money They Have?

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Money is an insanely toxic mental, political, and social poison, for exactly these kinds of reasons. It's also a social reward function that privileges egotism and narcissism over empathy; exploitation, scamming, and rent-seeking over creativity, curiosity and invention; and short-term gain over long-term damage. Like the hardest of hard addictive drugs, it's an almost irresistible modifier of behaviour and attitude.

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Re: Why Aren’t Rich People Happy With the Money They Have?

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There’s no possible way that anybody could save up more than maybe a million dollars based on their own personal labor. Anything more than that is some form of legal theft. There’s no reason we can’t restructure society so that ownership and decision making is pushed down to a democratic level; it would solve almost all the current problems we face.

Re: Why Aren’t Rich People Happy With the Money They Have?

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I feel you are having this thought process because you are still a student where you can afford to live frugally. Once you get a job, your social status get raised and you would need 100k a year to live comfortably. So even $1MN is not going to take you far if you stop working, i would even suggest $10MN is also a risky bet, unless you invest it wisely as inflation can easily wipe out a large chunk of that value in f…

>your social status get raised and you would need 100k a year to live comfortably Haha come on. You know that is not true. I live a pretty good life where I get to move country every few months (in Europe), have expensive hobbies, ski 100+ days a year and after currency conversion make closer to 50k. For what it's worth, I only work 2 days/week, if I "needed" 100k USD I could go to a full time position but I don't se…

Can you explain your costs please ? Like taxes & rent ?

Re: Why Aren’t Rich People Happy With the Money They Have?

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>your social status get raised and you would need 100k a year to live comfortably Haha come on. You know that is not true. I live a pretty good life where I get to move country every few months (in Europe), have expensive hobbies, ski 100+ days a year and after currency conversion make closer to 50k. For what it's worth, I only work 2 days/week, if I "needed" 100k USD I could go to a full time position but I don't se…

It also depends on the culture and country. I am in a country where there is no social security, and therefore I have to support both my parents, my spouse and my kids with my income. The society expects me to pay for my kids tuition fees, their future marriage expenses, my family medical expenses, other loans I have taken etc. Also part of the 100k goes towards a retirement fund (investments in bank savings, real es…

Medical isn't free, but ~1.5K/year/person (NL, DE etc)

Re: Why Aren’t Rich People Happy With the Money They Have?

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A while back I noticed that my HN karma was rising at a rate that would put me on the leaderboard, so I decided to make an effort to submit content and post quality comments just to see if I could crack the top 100. After a few months I did it, and kept rising up to a high of 85 (today I'm #88). Then I realized I was spending way too much time on HN, and how easy it was to fall into this trap of thinking I was doing…

Not to be too cynical, but the people who start schmoozing after you become rich probably just want a bit of the gold...

Re: Why Aren’t Rich People Happy With the Money They Have?

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Money is an insanely toxic mental, political, and social poison, for exactly these kinds of reasons. It's also a social reward function that privileges egotism and narcissism over empathy; exploitation, scamming, and rent-seeking over creativity, curiosity and invention; and short-term gain over long-term damage. Like the hardest of hard addictive drugs, it's an almost irresistible modifier of behaviour and attitude.

There's plenty of creativity in tax avoidance and financial engineering. Now, I'm not saying that is the kind of creativity you want to promote, but it certainly is there. There are many people who have fun doing this kind of work.

Creativity of the kind that you do not want to display on stage in a theater. Just a very small group being interested in your services, often denoted as a fraction of a percent (when natural people) or a position in a Fortune(TM) list.

Re: Why Aren’t Rich People Happy With the Money They Have?

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There was a well written comment on Reddit a few years back about how your life changes at different levels of wealth: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/2s9u0s/what_do_i... The main gist was that in the $10-30 million range you can live a comfortable life without having to worry about finances again. In the $30-100 million range you can start doing "rich people" things like have a private jet (though this m…

And this yet another example of the HN bubble. My parents retired at 55 and 57 in a small town and have never worried about money. My dad had maybe a million in retirement as a factory worker and my mom retired with a pension as a school teacher.

My mom did low pay volunteer work as a consultant for a few years after she retired, but now they are in their mid 70s and not “worried” about money between social security, a pension, and retirement savings. They don’t live an extravagant lifestyle.

That being said, I understand that they are fortunate to have had a guaranteed pension and paid for health care at 55.

On a more practical note, seeing that $120K a year is twice the average household income and even if you add another $25K for insurance, if you consider a return of 6% a year, most people could live comfortably with $2.5 million in investments. That would be even easier if you have a paid for house.

Re: Why Aren’t Rich People Happy With the Money They Have?

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Look I agree with you. Everyman should make their their own decisions and do what is right for them. However advertising has had a massive impact on how we see the world. You only need read about how de Beers the world's largest diamond producer changed our perception of diamonds [1]. There all manner of adverts designed to make you feel incomplete. I don't have links now but there have been a few stories here on HN…

Yes, people try to manipulate you all the time. My point is - it's fair game. It's exactly the game that all of us are playing all the time, it's pretty fun, it's challenging, and I see no point in painting someone as immoral just because they're winning at it.

Not all of us play this "game". Most of us aren't psychopaths.
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