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Re: "Rate My Startup" Post Policy

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Post by seancron »

yesimahuman wrote: post #74
nowarninglabel wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Poor for stopping spam. It's pretty easy to write a little bot that just logs in to ycombinator on an active basis. Data would be good though.

Sorry, I meant days since signup, not time since last login. I haven't see any data that suggests spammers are using old accounts, but I'm not sure.

Even if spammers aren't using old accounts, if something like that was implemented, spammers would just add

  sleep( n * 86400 )
to their bots. Once those n days were up, there would be yet another wave of spam.

Re: "Rate My Startup" Post Policy

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Post by enan »

Wouldn't allowing downvotes on submissions (or a spam flag a la craigslist) solve this problem?

Long time lurker so I had to create an account to post this. I wonder if there has been a spike in sign ups today :)

Re: "Rate My Startup" Post Policy

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Post by David »

scottnyc wrote: post #94
andre3k1 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about a 2.5 year old account with no karma? You'd be surprised at how many lurkers there are. I know quite a few (and was one myself up until a short while ago). EDIT: added emphasis

I as well. I've been 'lurking' on hacker news for almost two years. It doesn't mean I don't want to participate, it's just that whenever I do have something to say it's typically been addressed already by another user (the topics I'd probably post on are the hot-topics that draw more eyes.) And I'd rather not add redundancy to comments. To me the natural game mechanics that arise from 'gunning for karma' by being fir…

That's basically where I'm at (speaking of redundancy).

I'm usually afraid to say something wrong, since I know that there are always experts on the topic of the post. It makes more sense to me to let said experts explain a particular topic than to possibly disseminate wrong information, even though I might have a useful perspective to add.

Re: "Rate My Startup" Post Policy

#135

Post by jackolas »

LiveTheDream wrote: post #77
djtumolo wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree. Also add a moderation queue. It doesn't go live as an RMS unless you pass either captcha + moderation or karma check. A great way to gain karma would be to review the moderation queue.

How do you stop spammers from building up their karma by reviewing that moderation queue by upvoting their own spammy submissions?

Meta-moderation? But thats a lot of effort, and you'd really have to want to see feedback.

Re: "Rate My Startup" Post Policy

#136

Post by ryanto »

I am a total HN lurker (read HN every night before bed). I think I have 2 posts total, and a whopping 3 karma. I was just about to login and make a RMS post for a weekend project I just completed.

Then I read this thread and I am going to hold back. I do not want to make a post that you would delete.

I really enjoy HN and I can see the need for me to give back to the community before I can post. However, posting/writing/articulating has never really been my strong point. Writing a public post like this is a huge process for me (rereading, spell checking, editing)... A simple post can take me 20-30 minutes to write.

Instead of posting, I find other ways to give back to HN. I actually read the new queue and upvote interesting / non spam items. This is something I enjoy. I wish those metrics could be weighed into who can post a RMS and not just karma. That might be asking for way too much.

Re: "Rate My Startup" Post Policy

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Post by patd »

David wrote: post #133
scottnyc wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I as well. I've been 'lurking' on hacker news for almost two years. It doesn't mean I don't want to participate, it's just that whenever I do have something to say it's typically been addressed already by another user (the topics I'd probably post on are the hot-topics that draw more eyes.) And I'd rather not add redundancy to comments. To me the natural game mechanics that arise from 'gunning for karma' by being fir…

That's basically where I'm at (speaking of redundancy). I'm usually afraid to say something wrong, since I know that there are always experts on the topic of the post. It makes more sense to me to let said experts explain a particular topic than to possibly disseminate wrong information, even though I might have a useful perspective to add.

People shouldn't be afraid to say something wrong. If you say something wrong, people should correct you and everyone will learn (including readers that don't know anything about the subject).

The issue is if people that see that you're wrong, instead of correcting you, just downvote you. In my opinion, a wrong statement should not be buried with downvotes, it should stay at 1 point with a reply that corrects it and that get a lot of upvotes.

Re: "Rate My Startup" Post Policy

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Post by duck »

I have been collecting RMS type posts for my weekly Hacker Newsletter and I have seen exactly what PG is referring to. The numbers have been increasing and the quality of the bottom half of posts are questionable. I've done some pruning as I curate them and was planning on raising the bar more. Seems like a great idea for everyone.

Re: "Rate My Startup" Post Policy

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Post by CharlesPal »

RVK wrote: post #113

The place for this would probably be ratemystartup.com (yes, it exists, no it's not my site)

Totally to my surprise to see this comment... ratemystartup.com is actually my site.

I can speak first hand to this issue... A massive number of submissions to ratemystartup are spam. I evaluate each of these submissions by hand and it's not always easy to do.

On ratemystartup users have editorialized content. On HN I would suggest that link posts are only permitted to users with X amount of karma. I am personally more of a HN reader than a contributor but I would gladly sacrifice the ability to post links (unless the karma threshold is reached) in exchange for maintaining a great HN reading experience.

Re: "Rate My Startup" Post Policy

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Post by madd_o »

tptacek wrote: post #36
WingForward wrote: post #32

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Just wondering, I've been able to down vote for a few months, but recently, my karma hasn't gone down, but I can no longer down vote comments. Why would that be?

There's an enforced ratio of downvotes to upvotes that you may have hit. Also: comment more.

Hmm, encouraging commenting as a means, not as an end, is engendering a culture of under valued contributions...

I've been a member since late 2009, but I've made 2 or 3 comments so far. My case is not atypical. Maybe there's a better way?

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