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Re: "Rate My Startup" Post Policy

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Post by tptacek »

Jiminy! People: he's just saying I'm too busy to fix this the right way today, so you'll all have to make do with this band-aid.

Can we stop with the star-crossed imaginings of startup questions lost to the ages because of karma thresholds? If you have a real product you want to rate, and you can't post it, just find someone who posts regularly and who has their contact info in their profile. Then: send them an email and ask for help.

If that's too much of a hurdle for you, I have some bad news for you about entrepreneurship...

Re: "Rate My Startup" Post Policy

#32

Post by WingForward »

pg wrote: post #22
bdittmer wrote: post #5

What constitutes an established account? I rarely comment on posts but have had an account for 2.5+ years and regularly upvote posts and comments. Is my account "established"?

The easiest threshold is karma, as for polls.

Just wondering, I've been able to down vote for a few months, but recently, my karma hasn't gone down, but I can no longer down vote comments.

Why would that be?

Re: "Rate My Startup" Post Policy

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Post by jayliew »

markkat wrote: post #2

I don't think it is unreasonable to ask people to invest time in the community before they can request the community to invest time evaluating their product.

As a side effect, if you're legit, not a spammer but are new to HN (0 karma), then maybe one of the paths to getting an RMS is to be able to convince at least 1 non-new HN member with enough karma to stake their reputation and post an RMS on your behalf. Therefore the RMS is already vetted by someone real that's been around HN for a bit.

Crowdsourcing RMS spam control sounds like it could work well. Like how investors stake their reputation by inviting other co-investors, established HN'ers would have something to lose if they posted RMS spam.

Re: "Rate My Startup" Post Policy

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Post by tptacek »

_b8r0 wrote: post #29
markkat wrote: post #2

I don't think it is unreasonable to ask people to invest time in the community before they can request the community to invest time evaluating their product.

I agree, but it's important that what qualifies as investment matters. Perhaps a function of comments, votes, submissions and time the account has been around. As an aside, how would we distinguish between RMS posts and regular posts? Would the spammers simply revert to normal posts? I think if this is the case then perhaps we should reconsider the goal. If the goal is to stop spam masquerading as RMS, then it seems…

You have almost 1000 karma. Do you have a startup you want to ask about? Try posting it; he's not going to kill it. Otherwise: what's the problem?

Re: "Rate My Startup" Post Policy

#35

Post by terryjsmith »

moe wrote: post #11

But how are "rate my startup" posts different from any other posts? I mean, if you invent special treatment for RMS-posts then why wouldn't the spammers simply go back to submitting their stuff without that prefix?

I imagine a number of people blindly up vote the RMS posts to encourage the trend, though I'd be curious to see the data behind this compared to other post types.

Re: "Rate My Startup" Post Policy

#36

Post by tptacek »

WingForward wrote: post #32
pg wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The easiest threshold is karma, as for polls.

Just wondering, I've been able to down vote for a few months, but recently, my karma hasn't gone down, but I can no longer down vote comments. Why would that be?

There's an enforced ratio of downvotes to upvotes that you may have hit. Also: comment more.

Re: "Rate My Startup" Post Policy

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Post by simonk »

WingForward wrote: post #32
pg wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The easiest threshold is karma, as for polls.

Just wondering, I've been able to down vote for a few months, but recently, my karma hasn't gone down, but I can no longer down vote comments. Why would that be?

The karma needed to downvote moved from 200 to 500.

Re: "Rate My Startup" Post Policy

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Post by pg »

moe wrote: post #11

But how are "rate my startup" posts different from any other posts? I mean, if you invent special treatment for RMS-posts then why wouldn't the spammers simply go back to submitting their stuff without that prefix?

They're different because they can be to sites that would otherwise be offtopic.

Re: "Rate My Startup" Post Policy

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Post by vessenes »

_b8r0 wrote: post #29
markkat wrote: post #2

I don't think it is unreasonable to ask people to invest time in the community before they can request the community to invest time evaluating their product.

I agree, but it's important that what qualifies as investment matters. Perhaps a function of comments, votes, submissions and time the account has been around. As an aside, how would we distinguish between RMS posts and regular posts? Would the spammers simply revert to normal posts? I think if this is the case then perhaps we should reconsider the goal. If the goal is to stop spam masquerading as RMS, then it seems…

I'm reminded of the first time I saw PG speak, it was on bayespam at MIT -- he noted that if SPAM can come up with interesting and engaging email, he'll happily read it. I imagine that as soon as someone is posting interesting content, RMS or not, PG and others won't think of them as 'spammers' anymore, rather contributors.
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