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Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by vram22 »

feanaro wrote: post #49
nindalf wrote: post #9

Just so we can avoid rehashing the discussion whenever a post encouraging the use of Firefox is posted. - Yes, Mozilla is still the better browser when it comes to privacy. - Yes, Mozilla has made missteps with Pocket and Mr. Robot. - Yes, it is slow/resource heavy on certain Macs with non-default resolutions. Yes, Mozilla is working on a fix. - Yes, it has become really fast for most users after Quantum improvements…

- Yes, Firefox does support Containers, which are a very innovative privacy feature allowing you to maintain separate browser sessions (cookies, site preferences, ...) towards different websites inside a single browser instance.[1][2] [1] https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/containers#w_what-are-c... [2] https://www.thechiefmeat.com/guides/containers.html

Interesting. I guess it may be possible to use it to be logged into and use different email accounts, e.g. foo@emailservice.com and bar@emailservice.com from the same browser instance. That would be helpful.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by calcifer »

tree_of_item wrote: post #116
calcifer wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because even if you could keep up with the changes (you won't), your fork still won't mean anything for the open web or standards because nobody will care about your total market share of exactly 3 users.

Microsoft would be the one forking Chromium in this case, so I really don't think that's true. Microsoft is more than capable of doing it.

The whole reason Microsoft gave up on their own engine is because no one was using it, not even inside the company. Why would Edge suddenly become popular just because of a rendering engine change?

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by craigsmansion »

Yoric wrote: post #129
craigsmansion wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An alternative is an open source version of a browser from an advert company, with anti-features hopefully being kept in check by diligent maintainers. As much as I dislike that, from the advert company I know they're on the side of the advertisers. They're not presenting a "we're on the side of you, the users" face, whilst behaving more or less the same. A better alternative would be a fork of Firefox, kept up to da…

I'm afraid that this is not an alternative. What you are suggesting is a browser that just won't let you browse the web (because it will be obsolete after a few months) and that nobody will care about. > I don't think Mozilla can change. They're too comfortably corporate. Having lost sight of their mission, I think it would be better if it disappeared and was replaced by something else. I understand how you can see i…

> What you are suggesting is a browser that just won't let you browse the web

That won't let you browse all of the web, all of the time.

That's a common argument, but Firefox has been there before. When IE ruled the web, droves of people used Firefox and switched temporarily to IE if a site wouldn't work. They partly did so because it had been explained to them how important the Open Web was.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by kikki »

matt4077 wrote: post #38
kanwisher wrote: post #20

Brendan Eich has moved out to make BAT. Lets support that instead. Firefox can die and new things can take its place

"Brave" is a morally bankrupt hustle gnawing at the foundations of civil society; it is a bro-wser spawned by a disgruntled has-been consumed by his ego's unwillingness to accept that his bank account does not reflect his former social standing. It is the rare "creative" endeavour motivated solely by a drive to destroy, and to get rich & even in the process. Also it's just another Chromium skin, so it wouldn't change…

Are you going to provide any sources to back up these claims?

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by zymhan »

Santosh83 wrote: post #10
sametmax wrote: post #2

And it didn't work. Some people were aware of this. A few took the time to read/discuss/think about it. A minuscule fraction of passionate people acted on it. And the rest of the world took the path of least resistance, as usual. People don't shape society willingly. They mostly let life happen to them. Even when you see them protesting, it's the consequence of an emotional reaction and a group effect, not the reflec…

Be the change you want and keep talking about it. I've stuck to Firefox through ups and downs ever since I found out about it back during version 1 point something. Internet Explorer proved that behemoths can and will fall, given enough time to shoot themselves in the foot. Firefox just needs to retain its 10% somehow.

I've stuck with it and preached it and told people why Google is just going to repeat IE's history with Chrome, and my tech friends still mostly use Chrome.

There is something about A) what everyone else is doing, and B) inertia, that is just too difficult to overcome without some sudden significant change.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by Karunamon »

Yoric wrote: post #66
lagadu wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Market research, in this particular case adoption rate, also indicates that people love giving all their privacy away to google.

Good point. But Pocket isn't harmful, especially if you don't use it. In the worst case, it makes the Firefox installer a few kb larger, that's about it.

The same could be said of the RSS support.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by zymhan »

cataphract wrote: post #69

Is there any way to make Firefox use the passwords I have saved with Google (available at passwords.google.com and loaded into gnome-keyring)?

When you first install Firefox, it asks if you want to import that data from other browsers that are installed.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/import-bookmarks-data-a...

Additionally, you can install a 3rd party password manager temporarily that can sync between Firefox and Chrome (e.g. LastPass, etc)

https://smallbusiness.chron.com/export-settings-chrome-firef...

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by astura »

neilsimp1 wrote: post #122

I've seen the comment here on HN and a few other sites in the past few days - are there sites out there that don't work in Firefox, but do work in Chrome? Like, I'm aware of a few CSS properties that work in Chrome but not FF, but I don't think I've ever come across a site that doesn't look or work completely fine in FF. The only exception to this that I can think of is Google Earth, which I'm pretty sure you can ope…

I was looking at this page yesterday in Firefox: https://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/Collections/TitleInfo/512

When I enter a name and click "search" I get a page with some JSON ({"Result":true,"Status":"success","Redirect":1}) rather than the results page. Worked in chrome, however.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by zymhan »

kanwisher wrote: post #20

Brendan Eich has moved out to make BAT. Lets support that instead. Firefox can die and new things can take its place

hahahahahahaaaaaaa

I'd love to see a cogent argument for this. In no way does Brave address the issues with a monopolized web in the way that Mozilla does.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Post by Santosh83 »

zymhan wrote: post #135
Santosh83 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Be the change you want and keep talking about it. I've stuck to Firefox through ups and downs ever since I found out about it back during version 1 point something. Internet Explorer proved that behemoths can and will fall, given enough time to shoot themselves in the foot. Firefox just needs to retain its 10% somehow.

I've stuck with it and preached it and told people why Google is just going to repeat IE's history with Chrome, and my tech friends still mostly use Chrome. There is something about A) what everyone else is doing, and B) inertia, that is just too difficult to overcome without some sudden significant change.

The single biggest advantage of Chrome is that it's bundled as the default, non-removable browser on the largest mobile OS in the world: Android. And nearly all those people then expect to use the same browser on laptops and desktops and even here it is often pre-installed by OEM.

If Firefox had somehow had this clinching advantage in an alternate reality, they would be the Chrome now. The actual performance and technical differences between the two browsers are by no stretch of imagination deal-breaking. But Google's marketing and bundling has been decisive.

I just hope Mozilla doesn't abandon Gecko but sticks this fight out.

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