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Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by npunt »

jeremija wrote: post #242
npunt wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Containers are such a great idea. My one wish is if you could set a default container. I use FF to browser Facebook primarily and want that to be default, but instead I have to load Firefox then load a container then load Facebook. Wish it were just open FF -> Facebook is homepage.

There is an option called "always open in this container" if you press the menu icon of the container tabs extension

Ah great! I guess this was added more recently, I hadn't seen it before.

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by sorenjan »

ProfessorLayton wrote: post #100
djmashko2 wrote: post #52

If I'm using Safari as my default browser, does it make sense to switch to Firefox just to support them? Interesting that Safari is not coming up in any of these articles as a third competitor, but maybe the fact that it's limited to Mac means it has very small market share.

This just made me realize that Apple discontinued Safari for Windows way back in 2012. I had no idea. It seems like it would be in their interests to continue to support Webkit in as many platforms as possible, to avoid a duopoly (Or worse) of rendering engines.

They released Safari for Windows when they intended iPhone to only run web apps, it was a way for developers on Windows to make mobile "apps". Then they changed direction and Safari for Windows lost it's reason to exist.

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by npunt »

pseudalopex wrote: post #334
npunt wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be honest, I actually really like that they added Pocket, and I don't think it takes anything away from FF.

It took away Reading List, which was similar but private.

Oh that's a bummer. They should add that functionality back and bake it into same UX. FWIW Safari Reading Mode information is linked to your Apple ID so it's stored externally as well.

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by chrischen »

davidp wrote: post #19

Seriously, switch to Firefox. It's good again, and prioritizes privacy.[0] After Chrome's forced-sign-in debacle [1] I switched away from Chrome on all my platforms (Windows, Linux, Android) and haven't missed a thing. [0]: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2018/11/firefox-sync-privacy/ [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18055161

A good chunk of people who actually care about their computer/work on a computer a lot use a Macbook, and use it while on battery power. So battery efficiency is a major issue for me and because my browser is basically constantly open and full of tabs, I have no choice but to use Safari.

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by Klonoar »

function_seven wrote: post #233
Klonoar wrote: post #208

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I mean, it kind of is? You have to understand that there's making a stand on what's right, and then choosing to focus on the rest of your life... which, in this case, means not being annoyed by a browser that isn't keeping up. Firefox is great, many of us have loved it since Firefox 2 (or even before!) but you don't get significant increases in users by being the "more greater good" option. You get them by keeping up…

I think Safari is another good choice. It's not Chromium or Blink-based, and so represents more diversity. I get what you're saying, and I don't mean to be sanctimonious. But there are lots of aspects in life where I trade annoyance for doing what I think is right in the larger scheme of things. I recycle aluminum cans even when it would be easier to chuck them in the nearest bin. I used to toss cigarette butts out t…

Thanks for the response. :)

Only thing I wanna nitpick... it's not _quite_ back to 2001. In 2001, we had IE6 that plagued the web and held it back. It was a different situation for two specific reasons, one of which is commonly discussed and one of which isn't.

1) Chromium is open source, Trident (IE6) was not. It's much more difficult to be stagnant for this reason alone. Anyone not liking the direction Google steers the project in can fork it and do their own version (e.g, the de-Googled Chromium builds out there). Trident (IE6) never had this, it was the definition of vendor lock-in.

2) It's easy to forget how different the environment was back then. The desktop still reigned king, and mobile devices weren't even really close to what we think of them as now. Companies were different as a result; Microsoft outright didn't give a shit about the web, and thus you saw IE6 languish. It was good enough for them so they didn't have to care. Google, on the other hand... literally wants to own the web, for better or for worse. It's in their best interests to keep Chromium healthy.

I really should just do this as a blog post...

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by pcwalton »

jhall1468 wrote: post #44
derefr wrote: post #9

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I'm wondering the same, and naively, it seems likely. But on the other hand, Google forked Blink away from Webkit specifically so it wouldn't have to share control of the codebase with Apple. Do you think Google is willing to share control over Blink with Microsoft?

Google forked Blink because how Apple and Google saw the future of browsers drastically differed. I'm going to venture a guess that Microsoft selected Chromium because their vision is closer to Google's than either Firefox or Webkit.

> Google forked Blink because how Apple and Google saw the future of browsers drastically differed.

That's not accurate. Google forked Blink for many reasons (WebKit2, dev tools policies, etc.) that collectively added up to a dysfunctional relationship.

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by kayamon »

thiagowfx wrote: post #315
davidp wrote: post #19

Seriously, switch to Firefox. It's good again, and prioritizes privacy.[0] After Chrome's forced-sign-in debacle [1] I switched away from Chrome on all my platforms (Windows, Linux, Android) and haven't missed a thing. [0]: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2018/11/firefox-sync-privacy/ [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18055161

Firefox 3 was much better. No Pocket. No article/news recommendations. Panorama view. Firefox used to be my favorite until it started to get bloated. Prioritizes privacy? Then let me turn recommendations and Pocket permanently off.

The weird thing about Pocket is it was actually better _before_ they integrated it, when you installed the separate Pocket extension.

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by AnaniasAnanas »

davidp wrote: post #19

Seriously, switch to Firefox. It's good again, and prioritizes privacy.[0] After Chrome's forced-sign-in debacle [1] I switched away from Chrome on all my platforms (Windows, Linux, Android) and haven't missed a thing. [0]: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2018/11/firefox-sync-privacy/ [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18055161

> and prioritizes privacy.[0]

It actually prioritizes calling home, stopping ad-blockers from working on Mozilla owned sites, etc.

Don't get me wrong, I am a Firefox user myself, and I do think that Firefox is the most privacy oriented browser when compared to the other popular ones, but nowadays it is a pain in the butt to disable all of their spyware on about:config.

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by luislezcair »

idoubtit wrote: post #325
jeffdavis wrote: post #262

Today I am happy to be a monthly contributor to Mozilla. * Mozilla stands up for privacy, user control, and open standards * They back it up with high quality technical products like firefox * They built rust, a language I love Seriously: if you want to buy happiness then supporting an organization like Mozilla is about the most efficient way possible

* Google stands up for privacy^W, user control, and open standards like HTTP2 * They back it up with high quality technical products like Chromium * They built Go, a language I love I could have written the same with Microsoft/VSCode/C# and Apple/Safari/Swift. Seriously: Mozilla is good, but they're not saints, they're not totally different from other companies. They sometimes erred, even on the privacy of their user…

Mozilla is a non-profit

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by MapleWalnut »

krackers wrote: post #225
ziftface wrote: post #77

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I'm on macOS and Firefox is at least as fast as Chrome. Granted, I'm on nightly with WebRender turned on, but that will be in regular Firefox soon enough.

Last I checked on osx Firefox just doesn't feel as native as Chrome. I'm not sure if it's the weird window chrome or the scrolling that feels non-native but something just feels off.

You can’t do pinch to zoom on macOS, which kills the experience for me.
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