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Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by jrochkind1 »

Someone1234 wrote: post #277
asavadatti wrote: post #138

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Chrome has this too. I doubt its effectiveness as there are ways to fingerprint your browser without using cookies/sessions

Chrome doesn't have this. You cannot run tabs in different contexts in Chrome side by side. Both additional profiles and incognito browsing open a different window, with its own settings.

The Chrome additional profile feature has also become a lot more confusing and less useful with the auto-sign-in-change debacle, alas.

Which may actually be what pushes me to FF. Not out of spite, just that I was counting on Chrome profiles for this purpose, but they've gotten a lot harder for me to use for that (and were never as good as FF's multi-container thing, it sounds like).

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by nradov »

severino wrote: post #136
babuskov wrote: post #8

If anyone told me a decade ago that a day will come when I will feel sorry for Microsoft browser technology going away...

Well, I think it's actually two different things: I don't feel bad at all seeing IE/Edge coming to an end. It was a closed, non free, single-platform browser, who gave a lot of people a lot of headaches during the last 20 years. On the other hand, I'm worried by the fact that Google browser market share continues to grow.

It's also a good reminder that monopolies in the tech industry are fleeting. The concerns that people have today over Facebook becoming a monopoly will seem a bit silly in 20 years after they miss a disruptive change and lose out to a new competitor.

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by nradov »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #288
babuskov wrote: post #8

If anyone told me a decade ago that a day will come when I will feel sorry for Microsoft browser technology going away...

It is a weird flip isn't it? It feels more like a 'pick your battles' thing though. Microsoft has been assailed on the browser front for a long time. An alternative would have been to open source it (like the Chromium code base) so that "anyone" could build browsers based on their code base.

The Edge code base is probably so tightly coupled to the Windows API that it could never practically be ported to another platform.

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by PinkMilkshake »

If it ever got to the point where Google had achieved complete domination of the web, do we just leave?

I'm curious as to what point we say screw it and create a new web. Is that even an option? Is it even plausible or desirable?

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by thiagowfx »

davidp wrote: post #19

Seriously, switch to Firefox. It's good again, and prioritizes privacy.[0] After Chrome's forced-sign-in debacle [1] I switched away from Chrome on all my platforms (Windows, Linux, Android) and haven't missed a thing. [0]: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2018/11/firefox-sync-privacy/ [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18055161

Firefox 3 was much better. No Pocket. No article/news recommendations. Panorama view. Firefox used to be my favorite until it started to get bloated. Prioritizes privacy? Then let me turn recommendations and Pocket permanently off.

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by icebraining »

wonthegame wrote: post #176
pureliquidhw wrote: post #102

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I moved away due to the battery drain issues on OSX, has that been addressed? Based on this bug and some of the related ones, the answer seems to be no. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1404042 Until then I'm stuck with Opera/Safari/Chrome, mostly in that order.

Try viewing Imgur.com on Safari. Just scroll a bit until you get a couple gifs displayed and check the CPU usage on the imgur.com tab. Just insane that a few gifs destroy an i7. Is it bad video compression? I notice imgur attempts to make gifs from mp4 files and vice versa but damn. A 5 year old iPhone has no problem with this task. It'd be nice if you could throttle processor usage. I'd rather have a choppy experien…

http://www.willnolan.com/cputhrottle/cputhrottle.html

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by thiagowfx »

balladeer wrote: post #276
npunt wrote: post #235

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To be honest, I actually really like that they added Pocket, and I don't think it takes anything away from FF.

It took away credibility. A lot of it. It also alienated too many “almost evangelist” users (like me) who had converted countless users from other browsers in high school and college. Many of them haven’t been able to reconcile with what might seem a tiny change now. Also the jarring and bizarre way Mozilla pretty much stonewalled everyone on it who wanted it to be discussed. I don’t know it would make sense to you,…

How is your experience with Pinboard?

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by kaixi »

tptacek wrote: post #293
Someone1234 wrote: post #274

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That isn't the case. Chrome supports multiple profiles. Mozilla's Multi-Account Container tabs isn't multiple profits. It is multiple isolated containers running under the same profile, in the same browser window. A closer analogy would be if Chrome allowed each tab to have its own profile, rather than each window, and for each one to be lighter weight than a full profile.

Your sibling comment pointed out the same thing. Other than having 2 tabs in the same window with 2 different sets of cookies, which is something I never want (but you might), is there anything Firefox's feature gets me that Chrome's feature doesn't?

A single set of extensions and bookmarks.

With Chrome, even if you manually sync your profiles and keep the same set of extensions installed in both profiles, it runs 2 processes of the same extension. Even when the second profile window is closed.

But for me the deal breaker was managing a separate set of bookmarks.

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by baby »

davidp wrote: post #19

Seriously, switch to Firefox. It's good again, and prioritizes privacy.[0] After Chrome's forced-sign-in debacle [1] I switched away from Chrome on all my platforms (Windows, Linux, Android) and haven't missed a thing. [0]: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2018/11/firefox-sync-privacy/ [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18055161

This, and get Tree Style Tabs. It's literally the best thing about Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-ta...

Re: Goodbye, EdgeHTML

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Post by berkut »

txcwpalpha wrote: post #209
iscrewyou wrote: post #143

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I have a MacBook Pro. The fan spins up sometimes. So what? It also spins up when I’m doing other tasks. I’m always plugged in. So I have no opinion to share about battery performance.

Different commenter here, but same issue as the parent. I'm on a 2016 MBP. When I use Chrome, my fans stay off or at around 1200rpm at all times unless I open a video or a Twitch stream, at which point they jump up to around 1400rpm and the highest the CPU temp gets is around 50c. On Firefox, my fans will randomly jump up to 3000rpm when doing only normal web browsing, even on simple sites like HN. I'm using FF right…

Exactly the same with me: I tried switching to Firefox 63 last week on a 2015 MBP running MacOS 10.11, and compared to Chrome it seems to use a lot more CPU and thus makes my machine run noticeably hotter.

I guess this might be due to the new Rust layout engine I've heard about which is more parallelised?, but even just having a single tab playing youtube or a gif uses more CPU in Firefox, so maybe it's something with hardware acceleration?

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