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Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by Nasrudith » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 1:52 PM UTC

zachguo wrote: post #457

zavi wrote: post #432

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Suicide apparently https://www.chinamoneynetwork.com/2018/12/06/renowed-chinese...

That's not a trustworthy news source. Why would a renowned scientist doing world changing research commit suicide suddenly?

That isn't unprecedented sadly, Wallace Carothers [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallace_Carothers], the inventor of nylon committed suicide despite becoming head researcher of DuPont. Despite admitting serious red flags that could harm his ability to work the CEO came out to personally persuade him. In the great depression no less.

Of course neither is murdering the turbulent.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by TuringNYC » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 1:57 PM UTC

nappy wrote: post #427

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They arrested the founder's daughter! I think it would be a good idea for American execs in China to take a long vacation home until this cools down. No one wants to become collateral damage between a great power rivalry.

Meng Wanzhou is a the CFO of Huawei[0] [0] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-china-huawei/huawei-f...

Not to make light of the subject, but reminds me of the movie "Sicario: Day of the Soldado" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicario:_Day_of_the_Soldado) where an agent provocateur recommends to the US Government: "You want to start a war? the fastest way is to kidnap a prince"

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by Silmarilion » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 2:02 PM UTC

I think that's totally fine. Only the US can spy on their own citizens, plus on the entire world.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by digianarchist » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 2:10 PM UTC

EpicEng wrote: post #294

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Every country has things the culture is sensitive of. That might be child pornography for the USA, or drugs for Malaysia, or comments about the king for Thailand. They all have long prison sentences/death in their country, and light/no sentences in most of the rest of the world. All countries have tried to go after people breaking their culturally sensitive thing abroad, with varying levels of success.

>Every country has things the culture is sensitive of. That might be child pornography for the USA, or drugs for Malaysia, or comments about the king for Thailand. That doesn't make them morally equivalent. You can't defend 30 years in prison for being mean.

Insulting the royal family in the UAE or Saudi Arabia will also get you jailed.

In Thailand a lot of people jailed for Lèse-majesté get pardoned by the king. This king is new though so that might not continue.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by projectramo » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 2:15 PM UTC

tooltalk wrote: post #505

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She’s both

Ughg, what the previous poster is insinuating is that she wasn't arrested because she's the daughter of Huawei CEO, but because of her role as CFO of the company violating US sanction.

I would be very curious to know if there were other high level executives (C-suite) who were not arrested when they entered a country (not just Canada) with whom the US has an extradition treaty.

That would resolve the question of whether she was arrested solely because of her role as CFO, or if it was also an attempt to send a personal message.

I assume that is what is being discussed.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by walrus66 » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 2:15 PM UTC

resters wrote: post #532

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History is long, and I can't say it with as much definitive certainty as you (I wish you'd cite your reasoning), but as far as I know the reintroduction of sanctions against Iran will cause economic hardships which will radicalize a lot of people, and which will cause further instability to the world. The same kind of hardships that also radicalized Trump voters, it lead them to vote a populist fascist into power. Of…

Exactly. The neoconservative ethos does not concern itself with those sorts of side effects. What the US is doing is a form of terrorism. It completely nullifies any inspiring or positive influence that the narratives about the US founding principles might evoke in those abroad, and it is only possible due to the idea of American Exceptionalism, which is patently false to anyone who observes without bias US actions.

A power asserting its dominance has been the norm for thousands of years; you have just been brainwashed into hating your country. As for neocons being responsible for everything- just wow- that’s two steps past ignorant. The last president and Secretary of State are directly responsible for open slave markets in libya. Predatory foreign policy has been the only bipartisan issue in our history.

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Post by chopin » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 2:16 PM UTC

creaghpatr wrote: post #523

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Trust is lost in buckets, and earned in drops. The US will learn this the hard way. There's never been a discussion about a European army, now it crops up, for example. Even if the next administration is deemed trustworthy what's with the one coming after that?

>There's never been a discussion about a European army, now it crops up, for example. Haha, good luck with that. EU will always come crawling to grovel for US military support, don’t be naive.

Maybe. But the mere fact that it is discussed is the important point to note.

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Post by chopin » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 2:18 PM UTC

creaghpatr wrote: post #548

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AFAIK in the last 2 decades it was Europeans supporting American wars not the other way around... But I guess the war in Iraq was too long ago to be remembered today by Americans.

I guess you must think they did that out of the goodness of their heart? Do you know the funding structure of NATO? The US subsidizes the freedom of every European country, this will not change ever.

This is the hard lesson for the Europeans: they need to take their fate into their own hands. I am skeptical, but "not change ever" is a pretty bold statement.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by resters » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 2:23 PM UTC

walrus66 wrote: post #566

resters wrote: post #532

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Exactly. The neoconservative ethos does not concern itself with those sorts of side effects. What the US is doing is a form of terrorism. It completely nullifies any inspiring or positive influence that the narratives about the US founding principles might evoke in those abroad, and it is only possible due to the idea of American Exceptionalism, which is patently false to anyone who observes without bias US actions.

A power asserting its dominance has been the norm for thousands of years; you have just been brainwashed into hating your country. As for neocons being responsible for everything- just wow- that’s two steps past ignorant. The last president and Secretary of State are directly responsible for open slave markets in libya. Predatory foreign policy has been the only bipartisan issue in our history.

Maybe you view the word neocon in a more idealistic sense than I do.

I agree the horrible policy is bipartisan.

Please clarify the nature of your disagreement with my comment. Not sure I fully understand.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by perennate » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 2:43 PM UTC

qd6pwu4 wrote: post #340

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/a3hied/huawei_de... Keep in mind that US sanctions against foreign companies doing business with Iran are opposed by: The United Nations International Court of Justice, which ordered the US to withdraw sanctions, to which the US responded by pulling out of international agreements. The European Union, which has attempted to block its companies from complying with US sanctio…

I find your comment very misleading.

There is no indication that this arrest is related to U.S. policies to sanction foreign companies for selling to Iran.

Rather, the arrest is far more likely related to "US law [that] prohibits exports of certain US-origin technologies to certain countries" (from nytimes article). Huawei purchased certain technology from the US with the promise not to sell it to certain countries like Iran, and then proceeded to shamelessly violate the agreement.

Without laws like this, sanctions are far less powerful, because any foreign company not affected by the sanction can act as a middleman between the origin country and the sanctioned country.

What the UN International Court of Justice and European Union think about US sanctioning foreign companies that do business with Iran is completely irrelevant, since this arrest is not related to that policy.