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Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by onetimemanytime » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 12:44 PM UTC

qd6pwu4 wrote: post #340

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/a3hied/huawei_de... Keep in mind that US sanctions against foreign companies doing business with Iran are opposed by: The United Nations International Court of Justice, which ordered the US to withdraw sanctions, to which the US responded by pulling out of international agreements. The European Union, which has attempted to block its companies from complying with US sanctio…

>>But arresting foreign nationals in other countries for violating US sanctions?*

You steal a car in Belgium. Belgium investigates, charges you and issues an arrest warrant. In some cases it goes to Interpol or EU-wide systems. You go to Germany for a vacation and your name is flagged. Yes, you are arrested by Germany for violating Belgian laws and the extradition process starts.

You can challenge the arrest on a few basis (such as "Iran wants to jail me for criticizing Mullahs") but other than that, countries do help each other catch criminals. "Violating US sanctions" is apparently a crime in USA and Canada more or less has the same view on major international relations so he is likely screwed. (I think the arrest is almost automatic everywhere, but then courts and justice dept decide on whether to extradite.)

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by resters » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 12:45 PM UTC

netsharc wrote: post #439

odiroot wrote: post #390

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Keep in mind that US sanctions against foreign companies doing business with Iran are opposed by: They may be but US is on the right side of history on this one. And I say this as an European.

History is long, and I can't say it with as much definitive certainty as you (I wish you'd cite your reasoning), but as far as I know the reintroduction of sanctions against Iran will cause economic hardships which will radicalize a lot of people, and which will cause further instability to the world. The same kind of hardships that also radicalized Trump voters, it lead them to vote a populist fascist into power. Of…

Exactly. The neoconservative ethos does not concern itself with those sorts of side effects.

What the US is doing is a form of terrorism. It completely nullifies any inspiring or positive influence that the narratives about the US founding principles might evoke in those abroad, and it is only possible due to the idea of American Exceptionalism, which is patently false to anyone who observes without bias US actions.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by emptyfile » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 12:45 PM UTC

creaghpatr wrote: post #523

chopin wrote: post #482

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trust is lost in buckets, and earned in drops. The US will learn this the hard way. There's never been a discussion about a European army, now it crops up, for example. Even if the next administration is deemed trustworthy what's with the one coming after that?

>There's never been a discussion about a European army, now it crops up, for example. Haha, good luck with that. EU will always come crawling to grovel for US military support, don’t be naive.

AFAIK in the last 2 decades it was Europeans supporting American wars not the other way around...

But I guess the war in Iraq was too long ago to be remembered today by Americans.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by miracle2k » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 12:46 PM UTC

nostromo wrote: post #320

mtw wrote: post #302

Many are lost in technicalities here, if Canada has the right to arrest a businesswoman, if the US can stop a foreign company to do business with another country. Who cares? I'm partial to Iran because a multi-lateral treaty was signed. Iran stopped nuclear enrichment. In exchange, western countries pledged to provide economic relief and stop sanctions. It is said that Iran has been developing various weapons, but th…

> It is wrong for the US to walk away from this treaty The Iran Nuclear Deal and the Paris Accords were not treaties. We have a process to ratify treaties in the US. The president approves a treaty and sends it to the senate to approve or reject. It's easy for president to make executive order agreements because it doesn't require approval from the senate (something Obama knew he couldn't get for either deal). But al…

1. Iran had an election shortly after JCPOA. If that election would have led to a change in government, and under the new president, Iran had decided to abrogate from the agreement, would the argument then be "hey, fair enough, it was not a a treaty"?

2. The senate passing it makes no difference. The Republicans, controlling the House and the Senate, may well have been successfully in passing legislation withdrawing from the treaty. Except - that isn't even necessary. Trump can withdraw from any treaty he likes whenever it pleases him: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2018/05/0...

All of these are simply internal American processes, and it is up to the Americans to consider wether they want their politicians to run a foreign policy that projects stability, where the decisions of previous presidents are maintained because, being legitimately elected it was their decision to make, and American's word should stand for something - or whether they want their country to be perceived as erratic - which is in fact the case now, whether or not it causes allies such as the EU to ultimately make real changes in the relationship.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by ry4n413 » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 12:47 PM UTC

Is china still holding those Americans hostage? Victor and Cynthia Liu?

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by ionised » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 12:49 PM UTC

odiroot wrote: post #390

qd6pwu4 wrote: post #340

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/a3hied/huawei_de... Keep in mind that US sanctions against foreign companies doing business with Iran are opposed by: The United Nations International Court of Justice, which ordered the US to withdraw sanctions, to which the US responded by pulling out of international agreements. The European Union, which has attempted to block its companies from complying with US sanctio…

> Keep in mind that US sanctions against foreign companies doing business with Iran are opposed by: They may be but US is on the right side of history on this one. And I say this as an European.

> They may be but US is on the right side of history on this one. And I say this as an European.

As anopther European, the US is most certainly on the wrong side of history with this shit. They're still salty that their pet dictator got ousted all those years ago.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by gdfasfklshg4 » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 12:50 PM UTC

austincheney wrote: post #521

gdfasfklshg4 wrote: post #402

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you think this?

Why are you cowardly hiding behind a throwaway account? Why do you care? Everybody is entitled to their own personal opinion and you are free to disagree with it.

I've used this account for several months now. It's not exactly single use.

You are entitled to your opinion. I am entitled to ask you for the arguments behind your opinion. You are of course entitled to respond angrily. However, it doesn't make for great discussion and you won't persuade many people with this approach.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by zeist » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 12:53 PM UTC

lukaa wrote: post #480

Is it only coincidence that this prosecution of Huawei come just after Huawei create best smartphone on market?

No it's due to their 5G network equipment success. Their tech is on par with Nokia & Ericsson and the price is very competitive.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by afpx » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 12:58 PM UTC

lagadu wrote: post #476

tempestn wrote: post #452

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like pretty relevant context to me.

Why? The argument stands on its own legs, how is the commenter's post history relevant?

Why? Because there are a lot of paid propagandists on this site (which is expected, given HN’s influential power).

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by kelvin0 » Thu, Dec 06, 2018, 12:59 PM UTC

It seems to me Canada is doing this for it's southern neighbor. Wondering if the fact that Huawei is putting a lot a pressure on American companies (by competing with them) is part of this?