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Australian parliament passes encryption laws unamended

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Re: Australian parliament passes encryption laws unamended

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Post by daemin »

chris_wot wrote: post #70
brokenmachine wrote: post #32

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God this is so true. I am so ashamed of our so-called representatives. Please, Apple, do what you know is right and disable all iPhones in Australia. Google, please do the same with Android. If you have a website, geoblock Australia from it. Quarantine us from the world. We are sick and will infect you all.

No, don't geoblock us. Just refuse to do actual business in Australia. Only allow us to download apps from the U.S. where such broken legislation is not in effect.

Don't think it will help since the agencies can force telcos to mitm the store fronts.

Re: Australian parliament passes encryption laws unamended

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Post by brokenmachine »

robryan wrote: post #104
boyter wrote: post #45

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+1 block us. Apple if you are reading this stop selling us iPhones. Australians need to feel the pain of this otherwise nothing will change. 1 billion dollars wiped from Atlassian already. I’m hoping the markets react more and destroy the industry here. Might want to assume that all Australian developers are now potentially compromised.

Possible it will go nowhere. How can Apple for example provide a backdoor for imessage which isn't a systemic weakness?

They could be compelled to send firmware updates only to specific phones with a new version of imessage that doesn't perform end-to-end encryption.

Re: Australian parliament passes encryption laws unamended

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Post by brokenmachine »

boyter wrote: post #113
robryan wrote: post #104

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Possible it will go nowhere. How can Apple for example provide a backdoor for imessage which isn't a systemic weakness?

Considering that isn’t even defined in the bill that just passed I have little hope it will save it.

> have little hope it will save it.

have little hope what will save what?

Re: Australian parliament passes encryption laws unamended

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Post by k_sze »

Tor3 wrote: post #124
k_sze wrote: post #47

Can somebody write up a tutorial/guide on how to block all network communications (incoming or outgoing) with Australian IPs, on all or select ports, under common OSes (Windows, Linux, Mac, BSD).

Can't write the guide for you, but the raw material can be found here (and other places): http://www.ipdeny.com/ipblocks/data/aggregated/au-aggregated... That's a list of the (current) IPv4 Australian blocks. Each value (e.g. 1.0.4.0/22) can be used directly as a parameter for iptables on Linux, e.g. /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -s 1.0.4.0/22 -j DROP (to really block any communication - or use REJECT instead) A script to…

Great starting point!

Re: Australian parliament passes encryption laws unamended

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Post by krautjakob »

krautjakob wrote: post #92

Ouch. Since I'm using Fastmail ... can anybody recommend a good alternative? I don't mind paying for a good and secure E-Mailprovider. Protonmail looks nice, but it does not seem to offer IMAP (because mails are end2end encrypted).

ProtonMail costs 8€ per month, almost twice as much as Fastmail. I'm not sure yet if I'm willing to pay that much. I guess I'll check out the other mail services listed on privacytools.io

Re: Australian parliament passes encryption laws unamended

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Post by episteme »

_Nat_ wrote: post #43

Some of the comments so far seem to suggest that this bill would require software to include backdoors. However, it looks like [the bill's PDF]( https://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/download/legislation/bi... ) includes: > Division 7—Limitations > 317ZG Designated communications provider must not be required to implement or build a systemic weakness or systemic vulnerability etc. > (1) A technical assistance notice o…

Thank you for this, there is a lot of doomsaying in this thread but this reads to me that it would be possible to refuse requests based on these limitations.

Re: Australian parliament passes encryption laws unamended

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Post by pvg »

bigiain wrote: post #114
pvg wrote: post #60

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No. People work in jurisdictions other than their own with potentially conflicting laws all the time. If it worked the way you seem to be suggesting it does, nobody, never mind Australians, would be able to work outside their home municipality at all.

Extraordinary rendition of SV software devs. I doubt even _that_ would cause an uproar so long as it's timed to coincide with yet another threat to the aspirationally wealthy Australian way of life... "Well, we need to lock up E2E encrypted messaging app developers in Nauru and Guantanamo Bay, because otherwise mortgage rates will go up and your house and investment property values will fall!"

This is why Australia was formally handed over to the Illuminati in the Treaty of Westphalia.

Re: Australian parliament passes encryption laws unamended

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Post by shusson »

nailer wrote: post #64
rswail wrote: post #44

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To quote our last PM (well, this week anyway): "The laws of Australia prevail in Australia, I can assure you of that. The laws of mathematics are very commendable, but the only law that applies in Australia is the law of Australia."

Oh god. I left Oz in 2008 when Turnbull was a small-l-liberal, pro-business, pro-tech guy. From what I hear from home he became another deliberately ignorant Aussie conservative.

Ha, you forget how often we change our PMs :p

Re: Australian parliament passes encryption laws unamended

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Post by bigiain »

daemin wrote: post #123
cyphar wrote: post #20

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> It's beyond difficult to describe how ridiculous that is. Especially since ASIO (who really wanted this bill to pass) has stated that even if the bill passed today, they wouldn't have the necessary powers before Christmas.

So now any of the Five Eyes intelligence agencies can have a chat with ASIO and get them to coerce companies and individuals within companies to put these back doors in. Then they can all use the same back doors, so everyone living in the USA, UK, Canada, and New Zealand can have their encryption compromised and communications intercepted. There's no way that companies will create back doors specifically just for Aus…

And then somebody from inside will get a guilty conscience, but remember what happened to Snowden, and just sell the backdoor straight to Huawei or NSO or Mohamad bin Salem (salving themselves by pretending they're going to donate hundreds of millions to "improving the world", but instead will by private islands and matching citizenships to Peter Thiel's...)

:sigh:

Re: Australian parliament passes encryption laws unamended

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Post by nickcox »

brokenmachine wrote: post #126
nickcox wrote: post #95

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It is an absolute national shame. MSF recently likened the mental health of the people on Nauru to victims of torture.[1] The most disturbing aspect is the strong bipartisan and public support for the ongoing abuse. Every Australian should wake up in the morning, take a long hard look in the mirror and ask themselves if they're proud of what they've become. [1] https://www.msf.org.au/article/statements-opinion/indefi…

>The most disturbing aspect is the strong bipartisan and public support for the ongoing abuse. Is there really public support? Everyone I've talked to thinks it's a disgrace.

The pollies seem to think so. I don't know anyone who admitted voting for Abbott in 2013 either but a lot of people obviously did.
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