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Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by wtfstatists »

analognoise wrote: post #211
wtfstatists wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No Canada is arresting on behalf of US. On the contrary, Huawei is building 5g infra for Canada. > Violating sanctions is a criminal offense under U.S. and Canadian law. Just because its legal does not mean there wont be an aggressive reaction[1]. China will probably respond with force. Huawei with market exit. Then there are other actors who would respond in there own way we would never know about. US probably going…

Why, yes, I'd rather we didn't do business with a country that has close to 1M people in forced reeducation camps. I am OK with not profiting from some things. A dystopian "social credit" police state, for example, is apparently very high on my list of places not to invest in, be associated with, or deal with at all.

Now thats a moral argument. In a realpolitikal world, X aggresses against Y because its in X's self interest, not because Y have been bad. Under this model, China _is_ suffering from aggressions just not from Apple/etc.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by MichaelMoser123 »

estsauver wrote: post #22

I would not look forward to being an American businessman abroad in China right now. I think we're all used to the fiction that we live in a world that's totally governed by fairness and laws. That's been a pretty useful fiction for a long time, and in (some) of the developed world that's basically been how it's worked. But I really wonder how many shocks this system can take. I would bet money that an important US e…

I am comparing the attention that two stories got on HN.

One that China is locking up thousands of Uyghur people for indefinite periods [1]

This one.

Well, I guess its closer to home when American businessman may face the same fate of being locked up in a Chinese prison.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18351568

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by adventured »

joe_the_user wrote: post #221
adventured wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So if some Western company would trade with Ukraine or Georgia in violation of Russian sanctions, should their representatives be arrested and extradited to Russia? The US is still the sole global superpower, it is still (yes, despite Trump) largely charged with maintaining the world order that has existed since WW2. Russia is not a superpower, its reach is regional and it has few allies. You'll see a lot of varied…

Well, if one were to wake up one day and find that another nation had arisen, say, one that is world's large manufacturer and that a vast number of companies rely on and where a large number of powerful Westerners happen to wind-up at one point or another, well, however far-fetched this might seem, this situation might put a wrench in this idea of US hegemony. I mean, I know it's 1999 but who knows what will happen i…

In my post I never said there were going to be no consequences to US behavior. I never said anything attempting to justify US behavior. I never said the US would remain the sole superpower. I never said China wouldn't eventually rise to the same level of global power that the US now has, or even beyond that.

What I said non-the-less is true. It's unpopular to state it, to say why things are the way they are in actuality. Sometimes reality is unpopular.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by wtfstatists »

adventured wrote: post #212
wtfstatists wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No Canada is arresting on behalf of US. On the contrary, Huawei is building 5g infra for Canada. > Violating sanctions is a criminal offense under U.S. and Canadian law. Just because its legal does not mean there wont be an aggressive reaction[1]. China will probably respond with force. Huawei with market exit. Then there are other actors who would respond in there own way we would never know about. US probably going…

> Do you want to hurt US market/USD ? Because thats what use of your justifications will do. That's not going to happen. China is also not going to over-react. They're going to under-react, because their economy and global political context is at a slightly precarious point. It's why the US has been able to apply such immense tariffs without China doing anything crazy so far: they still need the US more than the US n…

Its not just US vs China. Its US vs Market. Its the hand of market that US need to watch out for. Everytime a powerful entity acts like a madman, it gets weaker. Soon or later it will receive 1000th cut which may be one too many.

Today US became less reliable.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by djsumdog »

dreamcompiler wrote: post #16
fosk wrote: post #3

Can somebody explain to me on what authority the US can request the arrest of a Chinese national on Canadian soil for any action they took while conducting operations of a Chinese organization headquartered in China?

The article suggests she took US-made products and routed them to Iran through Huawei. That's a US crime, and the US can issue a warrant for her arrest, and if she shows up in a country with extradition to the US, she can get arrested. Which is apparently what happened.

This only works one way though. No one arrested Ronald Regan for selling guns to the contras to fund the revolution in Iran. The US gets to do this because might makes right.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by emmelaich »

mciak wrote: post #8

Note that this arrest was due to the lesser sin of export control busting, rather than Huawei's biggest sin: facilitating surveillance and IP theft. Remarkable that they (she?) went through all the effort to set up a HK front company, but then left the Huawei logo on their powerpoint decks

Maybe they're getting for what they can prove rather than what they suspect.

Like Capote for tax fraud.

Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by jshevek »

DenisM wrote: post #196
amingilani wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This comment is getting a lot of downvotes for a fairly straightforward question, so I just want to remind everyone about one of the HN guidelines: Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.

The tone of the question reads angry and incredulous, not curious, hence the downvotes. You will also note that the poster of the question never came back to acknowledge the work people put into replying and explaining the situation. I believe that eduction wasn't the intent here.

I see nothing in the word choice of the grandparent comment to imply anger.

Regarding "coming back", the poster may be in a different time zone or have an abnormal work / life schedule

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Post by jlawson »

codedokode wrote: post #177
MetalGuru wrote: post #63

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Seriously. It's this fiction that makes me believe that, despite it's flaws, America (along with other democratic countries) is a beacon compared to the rest of the world. A country locking up a foreigner for breaking their laws is so different than a country locking up said foreigner out of retaliation, which is what I imagine China will end up doing.

China can always pass a necessary law so that Western citizen will become guilty in full accordance with the law. And US can do the same. There is no difference.

The US can't do the same. Bills of attainder are constitutionally prohibited in America.

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Post by [deleted] »

yesforwhat wrote: post #230
sh4z wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This comment reeks of arrogance. American beacon? as if the tables were turned arresting someone out of retaliation isn't what the US would do.

The US arrests and harasses innocent business people from China/Iran? Source?

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Re: Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

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Post by mips_avatar »

emmelaich wrote: post #236
mciak wrote: post #8

Note that this arrest was due to the lesser sin of export control busting, rather than Huawei's biggest sin: facilitating surveillance and IP theft. Remarkable that they (she?) went through all the effort to set up a HK front company, but then left the Huawei logo on their powerpoint decks

Maybe they're getting for what they can prove rather than what they suspect. Like Capote for tax fraud.

I think you mean Capone
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