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'Dark fluid' with negative mass could dominate the universe

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Re: 'Dark fluid' with negative mass could dominate the universe

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Here comes the Alcubierre Warp Drive!

Exactly where my mind went. Does the perspective described in the paper make the Alcubierre drive seem more plausible? Or is there something about the nature of the dark fluid hypothesized that would make it useless for something like that?

Re: 'Dark fluid' with negative mass could dominate the universe

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Paper: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1712.07962.pdf Not a physicist, but my summary of the author's point would be: If you allow for matter with a negative mass and plug it into a n-body simulation. You seem to get what looks like dark matter from first principles. Namely, a halo of non interacting matter around galaxies in just the right "non-cuspy" shape. Their conclusion is that this is worth considering, as almost all ma…

Here's an argument: If you think about it, "mass" actually means two different things. One one hand, there is mass as the "charge" of gravitational interaction, that is, the gravitational field generated by a body is proportional to its mass. Let's call this concept "gravitational mass". On the other hand, you have mass in the sense of "intertial mass", a body's resistance to change of velocity. Although we kinda tak…

Well, even the possibility of inertial mass not exactly equaling gravitational mass on interstellar scale open a big can of worms for physics

Re: 'Dark fluid' with negative mass could dominate the universe

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Sounds a lot like the concept of the Dirac sea to me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirac_sea Rather than have dark matter particles, have negative mass dark matter particles in every other location instead.

This is explicitly very different from that. There's no claim of "negative mass dark matter particles" in _ever_ location, rather, they have a specific distribution.

Re: 'Dark fluid' with negative mass could dominate the universe

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Every other force besides gravity is polarised, so why not also gravity?" Gravity is mediated by a spin-2 gauge boson, the graviton, whereas the other known fundamental forces are mediated by vector (spin-1) bosons. There is an exercise in Peskin & Schroeder (I believe) working out the lack of a gravitation "repulsion" resulting from this difference. That being said, I think this kind of phenomenology is excellent a…

Given there have been no detections of individual gravitons, saying it's a spin-2 gauge boson is speculation at best (though it might be what the model predicts)

If it weren't, general relativity would be wrong as well and we know that (in its domain of applicability) it's a highly accurate model. GR models gravity as fluctuations in the metric tensor of spacetime, which is a symmetric rank-2 tensor. This is all you need to know to conclude that a graviton (a quantize fluctation of that tensor) must be spin-2.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graviton mentions "[I]t can be shown that any massless spin-2 field would give rise to a force indistinguishable from gravitation, because a massless spin-2 field would couple to the stress–energy tensor in the same way that gravitational interactions do. This result suggests that, if a massless spin-2 particle is discovered, it must be the graviton." It links to other resources from there.

Re: 'Dark fluid' with negative mass could dominate the universe

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I'm curious about the idea of "allow[ing] negative masses to not only exist, but to be created continuously." Given the law (in the scientific sense) that matter/energy cannot be created or destroyed, on a scale of 1 to FTL travel, how crazy is this idea?

I thought it was less a law and more of an observation.

Re: 'Dark fluid' with negative mass could dominate the universe

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I'm confused.

From the article:

"This is explained by the Hubble-Lemaître Law, the observation that more distant galaxies are moving away at a faster rate."

If we observe an accelerating universe how can be that galaxies in the past move away at a faster rate?

Re: 'Dark fluid' with negative mass could dominate the universe

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Every other force besides gravity is polarised, so why not also gravity?" Gravity is mediated by a spin-2 gauge boson, the graviton, whereas the other known fundamental forces are mediated by vector (spin-1) bosons. There is an exercise in Peskin & Schroeder (I believe) working out the lack of a gravitation "repulsion" resulting from this difference. That being said, I think this kind of phenomenology is excellent a…

My understanding is that the entire existence of the graviton is still theoretical. Has that changed recently?

Please see my comment above. You can use the language of gravitons and Feynman diagrams even for classical gravitational physics, but the calculations will be intractable for strong fields. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graviton#Gravitons_and_renorma... for example

Re: 'Dark fluid' with negative mass could dominate the universe

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Every other force besides gravity is polarised, so why not also gravity?" Gravity is mediated by a spin-2 gauge boson, the graviton, whereas the other known fundamental forces are mediated by vector (spin-1) bosons. There is an exercise in Peskin & Schroeder (I believe) working out the lack of a gravitation "repulsion" resulting from this difference. That being said, I think this kind of phenomenology is excellent a…

Um, correct my amateur understanding if it's wrong, but... we don't actually have a working quantum theory of gravity, do we? So how certain are we that gravity is mediated by a spin-2 gauge boson?

Yes, because they are fluctuations of the metric tensor field, a symmetric rank-2 tensor. Take a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graviton#Gravitons_and_renorma... for details.
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