Firefox desktop market share now below 9% • Hacker News Board

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by snlnspc » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 4:41 PM UTC

michaelmrose wrote: post #322

kristerv wrote: post #312

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Yeah this is the worst in firefox. I'm desperately trying to stick to firefox out of principle, but Chrome is just sooo much more comfy beacuse of like 3 features. Firefox actually has 2 domain specific search-shortcut features, but both take time to set up and then is not intuitive at all. Chrome just blows it out of the water. Also wtf - if I type "hello" and press enter in the search bar in FF, it puts a "www." in…

Typing a word or words that don't look like a url or file has so far as I can recall always searched the default search engine for the word or query. This so far as I can recall has always been the case. Can you replicate this in a fresh profile to ensure this isn't just something you have set?

I run into the same thing somewhat frequently. it's the only real issue that I have with firefox. it's definitely not related to the profile, and it only seems to happen with fast enough input+enter.

it's really jarring to be sent to a random domain when looking up something in a hurry.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by jnurmine » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 4:46 PM UTC

Is it really...? are they measuring the right things?

You get what you measure. So what do they measure?

Do they ask for User-Agent logs from various sites around the net? Or do they rely on third party cookies or how does it work...?

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by demarq » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 4:47 PM UTC

> On a general day I have around ~15 pinned tabs and more than 50 other tabs open and FF handles it like a breeze.

I just commented about this somewhere else but basically no. Something here is wrong.

Firefox fans say it's fast, Marketing materials say fast, even benchmarks say it's fast

...but it just feels slower than the rest to the average joe.

There is something somewhere that isn't translating to speed somewhere. In a previous comment I've highlighted my experience with youtube and amazon as places where Firefox feels slower/clunkier compared to chrome. I really like Firefox, even love Rust but there is a problem somewhere that the firefox devs and hardcore fans just keep denying exists.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by bad_user » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 4:49 PM UTC

kakarot wrote: post #620

bad_user wrote: post #595

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It's not the same thing. First of all lawful companies don't do anything that isn't in the terms of service, that being the legal contract that describes your relationship with the company. Otherwise you can sue them. I'm in the EU and in my country there are state agencies that protect the consumer and handle the suing. Filling a complaint for me is easy and I've had great results in the past. This is why even an up…

> First of all lawful companies don't do anything that isn't in the terms of service, that being the legal contract that describes your relationship with the company I'm gonna stop you right there, because a ToC can only enforce certain provisions and companies can change their ToC anytime they want, as per their ToC. It also does not explicitly prohibit them from doing anything not on the ToC, just as it wouldn't pr…

>> "companies can change their ToC anytime they want"

It may be possible in the US, but especially if it's not in the interest of the consumer and if there is a service fee involved, then you need to be notified about such changes in the EU and an online publication won't do. Service providers in my country send me SMS messages and postmail with pickup confirmation required. If they don't have proof that I received that notification, then the new contract does not apply, by law.

Also these contracts can't be applied retroactively. So your point is irrelevant to the issue at hand.

>> "It also does not explicitly prohibit them from doing anything not on the ToC"

Indeed, but the law does. Especially in the EU companies cannot use personally identifiable information without explicit consent. And now with the GDPR, they can't track or profile users without explicit consent either.

We'll see what will happen in the following years, but guess what, Google and Facebook are still doing the same shit, without asking for consent, because they consider that a sign-up is enough, since you've read and agreed to their terms and conditions ;-)

>> "You can use Gmail with your own domain."

I already said in my previous message, along with other messages here, that "even an upgrade to GSuite is better, being governed by a different ToC" and I don't like repeating myself.

Please make an effort to read, or we're going to simply talk past each other.

>> "Again, completely irrelevant to the question that I asked."

You mean the one where you asked about jumping from a frying pan and into the fire? I assumed it wasn't a question related to cooking.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by favadi » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 4:52 PM UTC

slig wrote: post #471

favadi wrote: post #423

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Firefox is clearly inferior compare to Chrome on Android, but I can't browse the web without adblock anymore, so it is Firefox + uBlock origin for me.

Have you tried Brave? Works flawlessly for me, and quite a bit faster than FF.

Just try and the first impression, it is a lot faster than FF. Thanks.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by SilasX » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 4:58 PM UTC

cf498 wrote: post #487

feanaro wrote: post #467

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This I can relate with, but I would like to note that Firefox seems to be continually expanding its APIs and regaining functionality that was lost. In particular, [Tridactyl]( https://github.com/tridactyl/tridactyl ) (which tries to reimplement Pentadactyl, a kitchen-sink extension API consumer) works rather well. There are still some pain points, like the keyboard shortcut API which still hasn't been merged, but I a…

They rushed it and I find it hard to not see it as a giant "screw you". They didnt release the specifications early enough for people to rewrite their addons and at the end of ESR52 there where still multiple bugs open which prevented people from porting their addons. We didnt even get a normal 1 year ESR support frame for gods sake. All that ignoring the fact that there was no warning for the end users that all thei…

I'm just amazed that you can't even manually remap keyboard commands. Seriously Mozilla? $500 million/year in funding and you can't support that customization?

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by iaml » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 5:09 PM UTC

Vindicis wrote: post #550

vardump wrote: post #533

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Firefox has improved tremendously. But I guess some people are still missing their favorite features. For me it's pinch zooming. I've been waiting for it for ages. It's the last issue keeping me from leaving Chrome. Just tried newest Firefox on macOS and Windows 10, and sadly it still didn't work on either. This feature is great for hiding flashing sidebars and distracting navigation bars. And of course zooming in oc…

On mobile? Because it works fine on my Samsung phone. Although, I very rarely use it, so take that for what it's worth.

No, using mac touchpad. I agree with GP, I use it all the time in safari.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by triangleman » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 5:12 PM UTC

red023 wrote: post #178

Mozilla is way better then the others but still not great. The numbers are so low because people do not care about any privacy whatsoever. I hope the pay the price one day and regret it. To name just one reason FFX sync is prate and secure by default unless all the others who use your bookmarks to sell them. You by default (you can disable it) share all you bookmarks with Google. Hell yeah hi Google I have torrent si…

Red, you're dead. It looks like you were banned some time in 2017.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by kakarot » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 5:16 PM UTC

Angostura wrote: post #635

kakarot wrote: post #620

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> First of all lawful companies don't do anything that isn't in the terms of service, that being the legal contract that describes your relationship with the company I'm gonna stop you right there, because a ToC can only enforce certain provisions and companies can change their ToC anytime they want, as per their ToC. It also does not explicitly prohibit them from doing anything not on the ToC, just as it wouldn't pr…

> I'm gonna stop you right there, because a ToC can only enforce certain provisions and companies can change their ToC anytime they want, as per their ToC. At which point they tell you that they have changed their ToCs > It also does not explicitly prohibit them from doing anything not on the ToC, just as it wouldn't prohibit a user from doing something not covered by the ToC. Which is why you check the ToCs to ensur…

It doesn't scale, at all. Not when I am interacting with upwards of a hundred microservices.

And after a malicious ToC change, the company can immediately act on the policy, meaning if you're even a few minutes late to the party, or if it takes more than a few minutes to completely scrub your data from the website (it does) then your data is now subject to the new ToC.

So the ToC offers no legal protection from data abuse. It's just a nice thought.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by caycep » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 5:22 PM UTC

Is their vision "big standards player" or "niche, boutique" browser? If the former, I guess this is bad. If the latter, as long as they execute well and have a critical mass of users/contributors then they should be ok