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Firefox desktop market share now below 9%
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Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%
#422Been really enjoying Firefox, especially after Quantum. More devs should support and use it, lest we be beholden to Chrome for the rest of time.
I'd support it if it felt like a first-class citizen on macOS. It's ironic that everyone decries Electron for not being native, then says you should use Firefox when it violates so much about the platform that it's not even funny. A bug about overflow scrolling (the default bouncing when you scroll over in macOS) has been open for years. It doesn't fit in.
Does Apple provide a correct specification for implementing overflow scrolling on custom window controls? Or is a default behavior that only Apple-blessed graphic components have? Failing to follow the Apple guidelines would be bad for Firefox. If the issue is not having a spec, we'd be talking about Apple actively sabotaging apps like Firefox.
I'm a Firefox user on macOS and I don't remember issues with scrolling. I don't use a trackpad, maybe that's the issue?
Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%
#423I have switched to Firefox on mobile as well. There are some occasional hiccups (rare), but the speedup and battery life you gain from ad-blocking makes it totally worth it. For those who are evaluating, please install AdBlock before you take a call - and do try it for a few days.
Firefox is clearly inferior compare to Chrome on Android, but I can't browse the web without adblock anymore, so it is Firefox + uBlock origin for me.
Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%
#424Earlier quoted context omitted.
> One day I just did it and the change wasn't as big a deal as I thought it to be. This is so true, if everybody here thinks that should change but worried about this. It takes just a few hours, almos all features have an equivalent if not exactly the same and in the same place.
Except FF's tools are slower and the experience is overall worse. A lot has improved about firefox (including my old main complaint, that the renderer was slow) but saying the dev tools are at all acceptable when you're used to Chrome's is sadly still a stretch.
Which dev features do you find unacceptable? I still do switch back and forth, mostly at work when pairing. The other times I use Chrome and Safari is for web dev on mobile devices.
Beyond that I don't find much difference and there are as many times I find that the Firefox dev tools can do things that I can't in Chrome.
Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%
#425Basically chrome seems to continue to be popular. MS is struggling to get people to use Edge and Firefox is doing way better than Edge and is just barely out-competed by Internet Explorer (what's up with that?). I'm guessing a lot of old devices are stuck on some old version of windows.
But bottom line is it holding up nicely against MS. A lot of people seem to default to installing Chrome/Firefox instead of whatever MS/Apple is pretending is the browser of choice. To the point that these are not even the default choice on their own OS and struggling to remain in second/third position.
So not that bad for Firefox. I'm back to being a full-time Firefox user since about one and a half year. Really liking the post quantum performance and also really enjoy having fine grained control over trackers, ads, and other crap. As other people point out, their mobile browsers on Android are worth using as well. Unless you like being tracked and blasted with ads of course.
Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%
#426I'd like to use Firefox. I've tried it out several times the last year. It's okay. Unfortunately, I always end up going back to Safari. Despite the performance improvements, Safari still feels like a faster, smoother browser. Firefox is still pretty ugly, too. On macOS, it feels chunkier and less natively integrated. Safari's "omnibar" is superior to Firefox's. Safari actually suggests web sites, which I use all the…
Safari is fine. The real problem is Chrome, which is just plain user-hostile.
How is Chrome user hostile?
Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%
#427Earlier quoted context omitted.
My main machines (both personal and work) runs macOS and I find Firefox to fit in fine. Certaintly does what I expect 99.9% of the time. Scrolling for instance seems to work as expected (and on par with Safari which I occassionally use). Can you share more examples?
> Can you share more examples? Keychain does not work, FF57 killed KSE.
Sadly, that problem is not specific to MacOS :-/
On Linux with KDE that web-extension change killed the kwallet integration too. But you are right when you are saying that it degrades the user experience of MacOS users :-(
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#428Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I think modern Firefox is a much better browser than Chrome though, but Mozilla certainly lost the PR war and to no fault but their own, because Firefox sure sucked for a long while. This gets said often, but I've been using Firefox continually since 2003 and I've never noticed it sucking.
If you haven't used Chrome, no wonder you haven't noticed Firefox sucking. But a side-to-side speed and responsiveness comparison of Chrome and Firefox is unfair even today.
When I notice a difference in responsiveness between Chrome and Firefox, it's usually due to the webpage being Chrome-optimized. I don't know why: maybe it was developed and tested under Chrome, maybe it uses features that work better on Chrome because they were developed and pushed by Google, or maybe the differences between the rendering engines favor Chrome.
Google's own websites are some of the major culprits. The funny thing is that similar webs don't have this issue, and I don't notice any slowdowns that push me to do side-by-side tests.
Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%
#429We just shipped a chrome extension for Polar... I did a big analysis of the distribution of extensions on Firefox vs Chrome. You could expect Firefox to be maybe 1/3rd that of Chrome. Nope... it's 1/40th.... So 40x more people use the same extension on Chrome vs Firefox. I'm not sure why this is... it might be that Chrome users adopt extensions more readily than Firefox users? I think there's a lesson here on long te…
You did not say much about your methodology, so just general things that I imagine played into this:
- What is a "user"? Is it someone who downloaded it once? Is it just straight up the number of installs that ever happened? Or is it someone who actively uses the extension on a frequent basis? If you go by the numbers on the Chrome Store and on AMO, they likely have different definitions.
- Firefox recently introduced support for an extension API which is quite similar to the Chrome extension API (for the most part a superset), so lots of Chrome extensions have been ported over from Chrome just as recently and as a result will naturally not yet have as high user numbers.
- Firefox has traditionally had more powerful extensions and still continues to have a more powerful extension API. So, there's going to be extensions that are better, which only exist on Firefox, whereas similar extensions that were ported over from Chrome, therefore exist on both, will largely be ignored.
Analysing this on a non-empirical level:
- Firefox has less users.
- Chrome has somewhat less functionality built-in, which means users will have a higher need for extensions.
- With Firefox's extensions having traditionally been more powerful, the user base should still have many tinkerers.
- Firefox extensions are much more thoroughly vetted and malware is essentially a non-issue. On Chrome, it happens more often and I have seen people removing non-essential extensions for that reason.
- Chrome users are less likely to be privacy-conscious, which somewhat negates the previous point again and means they're more likely to just install an extension without thinking about it too much. On the other hand, Firefox users should be more likely to install privacy-enhancing extensions.
- Firefox for Android supports many extensions as well (though its user base is not the biggest).
Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%
#430What an irony. I've been using firefox for 10+ years and now it is faster, uses less resourses and doesn't crash. As a user, this is the browser I have been waiting for. Yes, dev tools features could be expanded as well as the plugin franework(vimperator!).But these are non-issues for regular users.
> now it is faster, uses less resourses and doesn't crash XUL extensions removed, power users are angry and leaving. And the power users were the main driving force for Firefox adoption - mostly not by themselves, but as influencers for people around them. What an irony indeed.
so they switched to browers that have less powerful extensions? No current popular browser matches firefox's extension power, even after the change.