Firefox desktop market share now below 9% • Hacker News Board

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by bad_user » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 1:23 PM UTC

bayindirh wrote: post #526

bad_user wrote: post #480

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> “ I am tired of listening to people screaming their lungs out about privacy when their actions don't reflect their opinions. ” Those screaming for privacy, like myself, are in fact a small minority. Also regardless of the topic, double standards are rampant in this community. You’ll often see people screaming against Google but still using @gmail.com because paying for a domain and the price of one coffee per month…

The problem with GMail is, it's too convenient to use, and relatively secure because of 2FA support. Also, people (including me) think that some newsletters, some bills and receipts are not very personal, so people don't care. I have two main addresses, one is from a local provider and my all financial e-mails and other stuff is coming to that e-mail address, however they don't encrypt anything. I also just got a fre…

G Suite from Google is still Gmail, but with a better terms of use and usage of your own domain and thus no lock-in. For people that like Gmail it’s a much better alternative.

My point was that people aren’t willing to vote with their wallet, but being a loud mouth doesn’t cost anything.

And that’s how we end up with monopolies.

On the topic at hand I still remember the people crying against Firefox’s Pocket integration. Well, as Chrome crushes its competition, while becoming more invasive everyday, I hope they are happy with the outcome.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by pcwalton » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 1:25 PM UTC

agumonkey wrote: post #447

DiabloD3 wrote: post #288

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Clean your heatsink out, and also consider replacing the heatsink paste: that CPU is so old, its entirely possible a cheap thermal pad is no longer usable (commonly used on laptops and stock desktop HSFs).

Doesn't matter, I burn the cpu with multiple gcc builds and it doesn't rise the same. I had thermal shutdowns it can happen, but not like ffx quantum.

I'm going to guess your problem is not CPU related, but rather a hardware issue relating to other hardware that Firefox uses (GPU, audio, …) Firefox spends most of its time idling in event loops; it's not a batch job like a compiler.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by ilikehurdles » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 1:28 PM UTC

devxpy wrote: post #484

bad_user wrote: post #480

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> “ I am tired of listening to people screaming their lungs out about privacy when their actions don't reflect their opinions. ” Those screaming for privacy, like myself, are in fact a small minority. Also regardless of the topic, double standards are rampant in this community. You’ll often see people screaming against Google but still using @gmail.com because paying for a domain and the price of one coffee per month…

> paying for a domain and the price of one coffee per month That's some expensive coffee.

G Suite for a domain and email is $5-6/mo. A cappuccino in SF I guess is a better analogy.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by bayindirh » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 1:29 PM UTC

bad_user wrote: post #551

bayindirh wrote: post #526

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with GMail is, it's too convenient to use, and relatively secure because of 2FA support. Also, people (including me) think that some newsletters, some bills and receipts are not very personal, so people don't care. I have two main addresses, one is from a local provider and my all financial e-mails and other stuff is coming to that e-mail address, however they don't encrypt anything. I also just got a fre…

G Suite from Google is still Gmail, but with a better terms of use and usage of your own domain and thus no lock-in. For people that like Gmail it’s a much better alternative. My point was that people aren’t willing to vote with their wallet, but being a loud mouth doesn’t cost anything. And that’s how we end up with monopolies. On the topic at hand I still remember the people crying against Firefox’s Pocket integrat…

> G Suite from Google is still Gmail...

I think there's a confusion, by GMail, I've pointed to the free offering, not the GSuite, sorry for being not clear.

> My point was that people aren’t willing to vote with their wallet, but being a loud mouth doesn’t cost anything.

Because I think that the same people believe that their e-mail is not that private, so they don't feel the need for voting with their wallets, however they are loudmouths because they're bothered by the breaches or privacy invasions they read/hear. They feel they are either exempt from this or not affected as much, so they're not alarmed.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by bad_user » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 1:30 PM UTC

Brybry wrote: post #543

WA wrote: post #518

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The smart choice would've been to not use Gmail in the first place. The fact that Google doesn't have your best interest in mind is nothing new. The fact that Gmail invades your privacy by reading your emails to show you ads has been in there from day 1. I'm saying this, because you started with "to be fair...". As if this was a good explanation for the double-standard your parent poster mentioned. You can still fix…

I consider plain text emails to basically be like sending postcards across the internet. I don't want other people to read them but I'm resigned to the fact that they are. In that context I'm not all that concerned about Google scanning my email to serve me ads that I'm blocking anyway.

I think people aren’t aware how much information leaks in their emails.

For example your entire online purchasing history is in your email. That is not information that should be public ;-)

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by Vindicis » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 1:32 PM UTC

lightwords wrote: post #527

Klonoar wrote: post #104

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I'd support it if it felt like a first-class citizen on macOS. It's ironic that everyone decries Electron for not being native, then says you should use Firefox when it violates so much about the platform that it's not even funny. A bug about overflow scrolling (the default bouncing when you scroll over in macOS) has been open for years. It doesn't fit in.

Pinch to zoom is also non-existent so Firefox becomes useless for a many adults/elderly with poor eye-sight or even just many other users who like to browse and zoom on text/pictures etc. It's so frustrating that this feature is not available in Firefox when you are promoting it. The absence of this feature in my small survey is the main reason people quit using Firefox.

I'm honestly a bit confused. This is the second comment I've seen regarding the lack of this feature. It's not one I ever use purposefully, so maybe I just don't understand what's missing. But, with Firefox on my Samsung Galaxy, I can zoom in and out of text and photos by pinching, with no issues at all. Was it a long time ago when you last tried it perhaps?

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by RRRA » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 1:33 PM UTC

cujo wrote: post #531

WA wrote: post #518

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The smart choice would've been to not use Gmail in the first place. The fact that Google doesn't have your best interest in mind is nothing new. The fact that Gmail invades your privacy by reading your emails to show you ads has been in there from day 1. I'm saying this, because you started with "to be fair...". As if this was a good explanation for the double-standard your parent poster mentioned. You can still fix…

> Complaining about "the effort" just reinforces the double-standard. Another point of view is that this is just the reality. Loads of people are on gmail, and migrating isn't always simple. Pretending it is doesn't make it so, and pointing out that one never should have done it in the first place is a moot point.

As someone with a domain at home and a working email server, I'm still stuck with Gmail as I don't have time to make sure my setup is resilient enough to base my daily emails on...

It's a sad world and we're a very geeky crowd.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by mrfusion » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 1:35 PM UTC

It’s the smallest feature but I’ve never been able to switch to chrome because of it.

The ability to highlight text, right click search and have it open in a new tab in the background.

Chrome insisted on opening in the foreground and I found it really disruptive. They have extensions that change this because but they never worked well for me.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by village-idiot » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 1:37 PM UTC

dbot wrote: post #180

atombender wrote: post #35

I'd like to use Firefox. I've tried it out several times the last year. It's okay. Unfortunately, I always end up going back to Safari. Despite the performance improvements, Safari still feels like a faster, smoother browser. Firefox is still pretty ugly, too. On macOS, it feels chunkier and less natively integrated. Safari's "omnibar" is superior to Firefox's. Safari actually suggests web sites, which I use all the…

Safari's autosuggest of the numeric code from 2FA text messages is outstanding. I don't hear anyone talk about this feature, but I could never live without it. I use 2FA for every website possible and this makes it easy.

I’ve never had to use it because I use hardware/software 2FA, but while developing an app recently it worked in a native app. I was stunned and thrilled.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by village-idiot » Tue, Dec 04, 2018, 1:37 PM UTC

dclusin wrote: post #281

throwawaymath wrote: post #184

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Yeah that feature (along with iOS 12 native OS-level password manager integrations) was a major leap forward. I no longer dread enabling 2FA on websites when push/HOTP tokens aren’t supported - at least from a usability perspective. The security of SMS-based 2FA is still poor, though generally better than nothing.

Almost nobody implements the API for password managers. It's either apples password store or bust. I use 1password and frequently have to switch to the app to grab a password. Although, with face ID enabled this is relatively painless.

LastPass does.