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Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by cpeterso »

cjbprime wrote: post #83
tambourine_man wrote: post #57

Interesting theory and thread: https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/10697763353362923... “This isn’t about Chrome. This is about ElectronJS. Microsoft thinks EdgeHTML cannot get to drop-in feature-parity with Chromium to replace it in Electron apps, whose duplication is becoming a significant performance drain. They want to single-instance Electron with their own fork”

Honestly having trouble making a coherent strategy out of those words, despite knowing what all of them mean. Seems like at the least it is written with way more confidence than could possibly be appropriate.

Perhaps Microsoft developers, with access to Windows' source code, can better optimize Google's upstream Chromium on Windows for the benefit of Electron apps using Google's Chromium? Otherwise, porting Edge to Chromium isn't going to anything for Electron apps.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by snickerman »

jccalhoun wrote: post #23

As a firefox fax, I hope this isn't true. The dominance of chrome isn't good for anyone. This will lead to (even more) sites not bothering to be made compatible with Firefox. We are headed back to the "designed for IE" days.

Firefox seems scummy, trying to shove the service pocket on us. Despite firefox's recent improvements, I find chrome a better experience overall. If you want to browse without google monitoring everything, then Vivaldi seems like a great option.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by saagarjha »

thrower123 wrote: post #80
ravenstine wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Safari is broken on purpose in a lot of ways when it comes to security, for better or for worse. I've had to do a lot of workarounds for Safari to compensate for the restrictions on cross-origin frames even though the host allows for the origin in its CSP, just as an example. Then of course there's the lack of support for WebRTC and virtually no support for PWAs. As Apple doesn't really view itself as a software comp…

Safari is broken in ways that don't make sense if you don't live in apple land, so I can't bother with their mess for 5 or 6% of the total browser market Moreover, it's irrelevant to non apple people

> Safari is broken in ways that don't make sense if you don't live in apple land

Are you equating "apple land" with increased privacy for your users, then disregarding it?

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by cortesoft »

kibwen wrote: post #125
joesb wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your examples have nothing to do with whether you use Chrominum engine, though. Say that Chrome implements a web feature you don't like. MS use their own MSengine for their Edge browser that doesn't have that feature. But websites expect Chrome, and they use that feature, so MS Edge doesn't work with those websites. Say that Chrome refuses to add a feature you want. MS use their own MSengine for their Edge browser th…

Not sure what this is attempting to refute. Your comment is about why monocultures are bad for competition, which I happen to agree with. My comment is about why Chromium being open-source doesn't alleviate any concerns about monoculture.

How is the situation better if there are two browsers with 50% market share? You still can’t add a new feature the other side doesn’t want, because 50% of users won’t be able to use it.

Any feature that requires a site owner to do something to support it isn’t going to be added.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by TimTheTinker »

cjbprime wrote: post #83
tambourine_man wrote: post #57

Interesting theory and thread: https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/10697763353362923... “This isn’t about Chrome. This is about ElectronJS. Microsoft thinks EdgeHTML cannot get to drop-in feature-parity with Chromium to replace it in Electron apps, whose duplication is becoming a significant performance drain. They want to single-instance Electron with their own fork”

Honestly having trouble making a coherent strategy out of those words, despite knowing what all of them mean. Seems like at the least it is written with way more confidence than could possibly be appropriate.

I think it's referring to Microsoft's own Electron-powered apps, like VSCode. There have been rumblings in the past about MS wanting to fork Electron and replace Chromium with EdgeHTML in their fork, but it sounds like the strategy has changed to forking Chromium and using that in their future Electron fork instead.

I have no idea if this correctly interprets the SwiftOnSecurity tweet, but that's the best I can make of it.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by basch »

013a wrote: post #101
c-smile wrote: post #19

That's just the disaster. And the end of W3C standard development process. AFAIR it should be 3 independent implementations of the feature in order for Draft to reach Recommendation status. So technically all that means that web standards will be written by WebKit team alone. Sic transit Gloria mundi, sigh.

We do still fortunately have three (more or less) independent popular implementations: Google with Blink, Apple (and now Microsoft) with WebKit, and Mozilla with Gecko. These are still three strong and independent voices; Chrome has substantial control on desktops, Apple has a stranglehold on their highly popular platforms, and Mozilla has both the hearts of the tech community as well as wide regard in bleeding edge…

Microsoft will use Blink not WebKit. Teams and VSCode are already Electron apps.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by jancsika »

nikkwong wrote: post #94
fourthark wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How was it broken? I only tested visualization stuff on it but it seemed to work pretty well. Honestly asking...

It just depends on how far you're trying to push these browsers. Chrome has a lot of crazy cutting edge APIs which allow amazing developer and therefore user experiences. For example, IntersectionObserver, which allows developers to know when a part of a page is active, and respond accordingly; Safari doesn't even implement IntersectionObserver, even though it's been a standardized spec since like 2013. It might seem…

what's currently broken in Safari wrt SVG?

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by xvilka »

bigger_cheese wrote: post #99
talawahdotnet wrote: post #28

Interesting, but what I really, really want them to do is EOL IE 11 so that the web can move forward without feeling guilty about the X% of users still on it. IE 11 has unfortunately become the new IE 6. As it is right now I believe the IE 11 EOL is tied to the Windows 10 EOL...which is not happening anytime soon. Many frameworks are dropping support for it anyway so I guess it will end up being defacto desupported.

There is a lot of Enterprise/Corporate stuff tied to IE. For example sharepoint stuff (which my work uses) heavily is tied to IE.

Not a surprise, because it is created by Microsoft itself.
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