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Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by buboard »

smsm42 wrote: post #97
CM30 wrote: post #6

This is a great example of how 'just set up your own platform' may not be the best solution to issues of censorship and what not. Because if you do, then the platforms you need for things like payment processing are also likely to ban your service for much the same reasons as before, and neutral alternatives to them are few and far between. Still, I guess this does provide a good use case for cryptocurrencies and wha…

"Set up your own platform" is actually "set up your own Internet". Because otherwise you'd need DNS, hosting, payment processing, CDN, certificates, etc. And given how rapidly this sphere is politicized and weaponized by people with an ax to grind, if you're doing something that somebody vocal objects to - or allow somebody that does to use your resources - or allow somebody that allows somebody, etc. - then you'd be…

theoretically cryptos may solve the payments part one day. CDN and certificates are not requirements (yet). DNS remains one sore point of centralization for the internet.

> Because this one is fresh out of freedom.

Let's not be so pessimistic, but instead marvel at the how cool it is that the internet was built from the get-go to be decentralized

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by buboard »

spookthesunset wrote: post #98
CM30 wrote: post #6

This is a great example of how 'just set up your own platform' may not be the best solution to issues of censorship and what not. Because if you do, then the platforms you need for things like payment processing are also likely to ban your service for much the same reasons as before, and neutral alternatives to them are few and far between. Still, I guess this does provide a good use case for cryptocurrencies and wha…

> censorship Except in this case it isn't censorship. Nobody can be forced to do business with BitChute if they don't want to. That is just as much of a right as anything else. BitChute is still more than able to host all the trash it wants. They will just have to find another payment provider. And they do exist. I mean, porn sites manage to figure out how to collect payment. It's expensive as hell because people con…

> Nobody can be forced to do business with BitChute if they don't want to.

to bake the cake or not to bake it? that is the question

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by danso »

shard972 wrote: post #129
tw04 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why don't payment processors want to be associated with someone calling for violence in the streets while peddling conspiracy theories they know to be untrue? Isn't that pretty self explanatory...?

And yet CNN or MSNBC isn't banned from any payment platforms for giving platforms to people calling for violence in the streets. Hell, antifa have a patreon account and they are classified a terrorist organisation by the US government https://www.patreon.com/intlantifadefence Has alex jones been classified a domestic terrorist? Is infowars a domestic terrorist organisation?

> Hell, antifa have a patreon account and they are classified a terrorist organisation by the US government

Source?

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

#144

Post by danso »

shard972 wrote: post #130
empath75 wrote: post #5

Free speech means no one is forced to do business with nazis.

Does Free speech means no one is forced to do business with gays? Or transexuals? Or Blacks?

Federal law protects sexuality and race from discriminatory business and employment practices.

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by odessacubbage »

Yetanfou wrote: post #89
cookiecaper wrote: post #33

The problem with any platform that bills itself as "uncensorable" is that it will always attract the people that everyone else wants to keep as far away from them as possible. The repulsion people feel for those "deplorables", for lack of a better term, easily and automatically transfers to any platform that appears to tolerate them. For this type of platform to succeed it must focus on self-replication rather than t…

> If someone really cared, they'd run the most blase service on top of such technology and actively kick off anyone slightly controversial. You'd first have to define controversial, a difficult task when dealing with the 'net: * Communism - fine in Sweden, frowned upon in former Soviet satellite states * Marihuana - forbidden in Sweden, allowed in Canada and parts of the US, tolerated in the Netherlands * Women in re…

maybe a good compromise would be to base frontpage content on regional broadcast standards as that seems to be a pretty reliable measure for what is considered acceptable and then simply relegate the other content within it's own 'after dark' category, available to registered users. this is essentially how we handled things back in the era of video stores and it still seems applicable imo; keep the content, just bring back the curtain.

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by comex »

jim-jim-jim wrote: post #39
notafraudster wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BitChute is a YouTube replacement made for people who are "Very Worried About YouTube's Censorship". It uses WebTorrent for distribution to solve the upfront server costs of running a video service. Cute idea. You might imagine that with how endemic some people allege YouTube's censorship is, there would be a variety of interesting and censored content on BitChute. Which is why when you check the front page you get a…

That's the weird thing about free speech. Any community explicitly built upon it tends to exclusively attract those in _immediate_ need of it: conspiracy theorists and racists for the most part. There's still a (naive?) liberal side to me that thinks free expression, even of profoundly stupid ideas, might be a net good for society, but I don't want to be a part of a community that is innundated with nasty weirdos who…

> That's the weird thing about free speech. Any community explicitly built upon it tends to exclusively attract those in _immediate_ need of it: conspiracy theorists and racists for the most part.

Which is why it's better when giant platforms themselves allow free speech rather than relegating it to niche communities. Of course, good luck convincing them of that.

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by apostacy »

dragonwriter wrote: post #120
8nd9rfi wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's ironic that you are alluding to the quote by pastor Martin Niemöller that was making a point completely opposite to yours. Free speech is not about protecting popular opinions. I cannot believe how many comments hostile to free speech are on this thread. It's almost like people are begging for oppression.

> Free speech is not about protecting popular opinions. It's also not about protecting any opinions (popular or unpopular) from private refusal to assist in propagating them. Free speech is not the same as anyone else being obligate to provide assistance with distributing your speech, in fact, such an entitlement would violate freedom of speech for those compelled to participate in speech they disagree with.

Is it the freedom of banks to not offer checking accounts to minorities? Why can't a bank express itself in the form of denying service to some people? Must they be compelled to?

Yes. If these platforms and payment processors want to continue to enjoy the state-enforced privileges they receive, then they must, within reason, offer their services to all.

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by ghthor »

buboard wrote: post #141
smsm42 wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Set up your own platform" is actually "set up your own Internet". Because otherwise you'd need DNS, hosting, payment processing, CDN, certificates, etc. And given how rapidly this sphere is politicized and weaponized by people with an ax to grind, if you're doing something that somebody vocal objects to - or allow somebody that does to use your resources - or allow somebody that allows somebody, etc. - then you'd be…

theoretically cryptos may solve the payments part one day. CDN and certificates are not requirements (yet). DNS remains one sore point of centralization for the internet. > Because this one is fresh out of freedom. Let's not be so pessimistic, but instead marvel at the how cool it is that the internet was built from the get-go to be decentralized

DNS replacement is one of the most practical applications of the blockchain database. What database would you have on nearly EVERY machine ever, a name=>ip mapping fits that niche really well. ENS is going to do major work here.

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by joshuamorton »

apostacy wrote: post #135
spookthesunset wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> censorship Except in this case it isn't censorship. Nobody can be forced to do business with BitChute if they don't want to. That is just as much of a right as anything else. BitChute is still more than able to host all the trash it wants. They will just have to find another payment provider. And they do exist. I mean, porn sites manage to figure out how to collect payment. It's expensive as hell because people con…

You have no idea what you are talking about. Unless we live in a 100% free market, then what you are saying is totally invalid. We actually ARE forced to use the established banks and payment processors, we have no choice. The government provides all sorts of privileges and protections to them that make it impossible to just build your own. When the government strips payment processors of all of their privileges, and…

What protections is stripe or square provided that a payment processing business I set up tomorrow isn't? The government doesn't actually give any specific payment processors special privileges.

Yes, all payment processors have special privileges, but so to would the one you start tomorrow. But instead you want to force another to serve you. Why?

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by ghthor »

vetrom wrote: post #124
simion314 wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>There's still a (naive?) liberal side to me that thinks free expression, even of profoundly stupid ideas, might be a net good for society, I was thinking today about the high costs of the stupid idea of anti-vaccinations, in this case children that are not at fault will die because of this ideas, should we block them or we should put billions of dollars into educating this people instead of using this money for bett…

I would argue that the billions of dollars needing to be spent on education is indicative of just how badly underfunded education is in society. You see knock-on positive and negative effects of that at basically every level of analysis and observation.

Pretty much. If you think people believing and sharing false narratives is bad then you need to be speak out and support funding education. All other avenues are just going to be whack a mole, chasing the symptom not the cause.
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