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Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

#111

Post by dreta »

spookthesunset wrote: post #96
userbinator wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any service that strongly supports free speech will naturally attract the extremists which have been displaced from elsewhere. Right or left doesn't matter, it's just the result of the current political climate.

> It's just the result of the current political climate. It has nothing to do with the "political climate". It has everything to do with the fact most people don't want to listen nut-jobs all day. In fact, in a free market it would appear people seem to prefer platforms that banish the nut jobs.

it has everything to do with the current political climate, and the fact that extremist views on one side are tolerated, while ones on the other are actively being fought against

if you don't want to listen to "nut jobs", you don't have to, nobody's shoving Alex Jones in your face, but banning people you find objectionable sets up a dangerous precedent

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by fvdessen »

chowells wrote: post #107
smsm42 wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Set up your own platform" is actually "set up your own Internet". Because otherwise you'd need DNS, hosting, payment processing, CDN, certificates, etc. And given how rapidly this sphere is politicized and weaponized by people with an ax to grind, if you're doing something that somebody vocal objects to - or allow somebody that does to use your resources - or allow somebody that allows somebody, etc. - then you'd be…

What part of "anyone can force you to do business with them" sounds like freedom to you? Don't payment vendors and hosting platforms have freedom? Part of freedom is the responsibility to accept consequences of your actions. If you choose to say such vile things that people quit doing business with you, that's just people exercising their freedom. If you think it's unfair, you are valuing your freedom higher than eve…

Do you support the freedom to deplatform practicing Jews as well ?

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

#113

Post by spookthesunset »

8nd9rfi wrote: post #86
notahacker wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First they came for the Gab, and... I was actually pretty pleased because I didn't think the sort of web host that would stand behind forums run by the sort of people that gloated about how many hits their association with a synagogue shooting brought them were actually potential allies in fighting fascism... Bitchute isn't the home of people posting Trump critiques. It's the home of people explaining why all critici…

It's ironic that you are alluding to the quote by pastor Martin Niemöller that was making a point completely opposite to yours. Free speech is not about protecting popular opinions. I cannot believe how many comments hostile to free speech are on this thread. It's almost like people are begging for oppression.

> I cannot believe how many comments hostile to free speech are on this thread

It's almost like what is being discussed has nothing to do with free speech. BitChute didn't have its free speech rights harmed in any way. No jack booted government thugs pointed their guns at the owners faces and told them to unplug from the internet.

All that happened is their current payment provider determined that their business relationship wasn't profitable and terminated the business relationship. BitChute is free to find another way to seek payment.

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

#114

Post by spookthesunset »

dreta wrote: post #111
spookthesunset wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's just the result of the current political climate. It has nothing to do with the "political climate". It has everything to do with the fact most people don't want to listen nut-jobs all day. In fact, in a free market it would appear people seem to prefer platforms that banish the nut jobs.

it has everything to do with the current political climate, and the fact that extremist views on one side are tolerated, while ones on the other are actively being fought against if you don't want to listen to "nut jobs", you don't have to, nobody's shoving Alex Jones in your face, but banning people you find objectionable sets up a dangerous precedent

I'm sorry you feel that way but maybe the invisible hand of the free market has decided that it just isn't profitable for large companies to provide platforms for people like Alex Jones. You should be happy to live in a world where a business is allowed to make decisions that act in their rational best interest instead of being forced by government to do something that doesn't make sense to their bottom line.

Maybe Mr. Jones can build his own content distribution channels? If he can't, maybe his ideas just aren't that popular and his business should fail?

And for what it's worth, Alex Jones supporters spread like a cancer through sites that allow it. The community surrounding him and those like him are often more toxic then the founders.

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by woolvalley »

Even if patreon & friends are ok with it, they still need to avoid businesses that visa & friends do not want on their payment networks or will only allow them for a large cost. And by derivative what major regulators do not want on payment & banking systems or without a lot of onerous paperwork and gotchas.

The classic example in this is porn, and now it's fringe right wing things.

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

#116

Post by blfr »

chowells wrote: post #107
smsm42 wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Set up your own platform" is actually "set up your own Internet". Because otherwise you'd need DNS, hosting, payment processing, CDN, certificates, etc. And given how rapidly this sphere is politicized and weaponized by people with an ax to grind, if you're doing something that somebody vocal objects to - or allow somebody that does to use your resources - or allow somebody that allows somebody, etc. - then you'd be…

What part of "anyone can force you to do business with them" sounds like freedom to you? Don't payment vendors and hosting platforms have freedom? Part of freedom is the responsibility to accept consequences of your actions. If you choose to say such vile things that people quit doing business with you, that's just people exercising their freedom. If you think it's unfair, you are valuing your freedom higher than eve…

I'm not all that concerned with monopolists' and near monopolists' freedoms to be honest. VISA isn't some family-run corner store.

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

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Post by motohagiography »

Payment processing is so heavily regulated and dependent on networks, it's hard to make the case that they are a normal businesses. When you have KYC obligations, you have to collect intelligence on your customers and supply it to the government, and that's not something a hotdog stand or a bookstore needs to do. Payment companies are different.

Patreon may well be within its rights and contracts to sabotage business partners it disagrees with, but the artificial barrier to market entry of a license for processing payments makes their righteous posturing a bit vainglorious.

I get these people don't do principle, but it's worth considering the broader impact of dispensing with it.

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

#118

Post by dang »

cannedslime wrote: post #70
empath75 wrote: post #5

Free speech means no one is forced to do business with nazis.

It apparently also means that you are free to brand anyone you disagree with as "nazis". Just like I can freely say that any self-proclaimed "empath" is with all likelyhood just another sociopath.

It looks like you've reverted to using HN primarily for ideological battle, and worse things like race trolling. If you keep doing that, we're going to ban you, so please stop.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

#119

Post by DarthTetanus »

Joeboy wrote: post #10

Would anybody like to fill us in on what BitChute is, in theory and / or in practice?

> Conservatives are the only ones who pose a serious threat to their plans. We have to be doped up & silenced first. Thank the gods they can’t taker away our guns. 87 muslims were given jobs & positions of power this mid term election. The news media has done a good job hiding that fact.

This comment on the linked post nicely sums up BitChute’s niche.

Re: BitChute Suspended By Patreon

#120

Post by dragonwriter »

8nd9rfi wrote: post #86
notahacker wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First they came for the Gab, and... I was actually pretty pleased because I didn't think the sort of web host that would stand behind forums run by the sort of people that gloated about how many hits their association with a synagogue shooting brought them were actually potential allies in fighting fascism... Bitchute isn't the home of people posting Trump critiques. It's the home of people explaining why all critici…

It's ironic that you are alluding to the quote by pastor Martin Niemöller that was making a point completely opposite to yours. Free speech is not about protecting popular opinions. I cannot believe how many comments hostile to free speech are on this thread. It's almost like people are begging for oppression.

> Free speech is not about protecting popular opinions.

It's also not about protecting any opinions (popular or unpopular) from private refusal to assist in propagating them.

Free speech is not the same as anyone else being obligate to provide assistance with distributing your speech, in fact, such an entitlement would violate freedom of speech for those compelled to participate in speech they disagree with.

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